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    I have just been on the JTR forums and was reading through a few posts when I came across the following statement:

    "Before, during and after the Whitechapel Murders in 1888 there were equally brutal murders, with associated mutilations. The cases that Debs has highlighted on the podcast recently being just a small example, but as a for instance, not long after Kelly's brutal murder a woman was even more brutally murdered and savagely mutilated in front of her young baby."

    Can anyone shed any light and info regarding this mutilated woman?? I can't say I've come across this one myself.
    Best regards,
    Adam


    "They assumed Kelly was the last... they assumed wrong" - Me

  • #2
    Just bumping the thread, hopig someone had more infoon this one as I have not come across it myself
    Best regards,
    Adam


    "They assumed Kelly was the last... they assumed wrong" - Me

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    • #3
      Yes, I found that report, Adam, and I wrote that statement.
      I'm sure someone better than me can find it again. It is on file here.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cap'n Jack View Post
        Yes, I found that report, Adam, and I wrote that statement.
        I'm sure someone better than me can find it again. It is on file here.
        Hi Ap,
        While I am in no way disputing this particular case, I think its important not to exaggerate the amount of violent crime in Whitechapel in 1888---or 1887 or 1889 for that matter.
        I have just posted some statistics on violent crime in the London of this time
        and noted that out of 146,000 so called "unfortunates" in the Tower Hamlets [which included Whitechapel] at this time, there were only,on average some 17 murders per annum.

        In fact the statistics of the period show a marked decrease in violent crime in the whole of London in the eighteen hundreds.For example in 1831 there were 378 cases of violent crime per 100,000 whereas sixty years later the figure had gone down to 216 per 100,000.


        Yours Truly

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        • #5
          Dear Uncle Jack:

          This may be the case that A.P. is referring to, since it mentions a child and a murdered mother. Hope it helps.

          THE WIFE MURDER AT PICKERING
          The Leeds Mercury
          Friday, November 9, 1888



          The Illustrated Police News
          Saturday, April 13, 1889

          Last edited by Howard Brown; 01-04-2010, 03:12 AM.

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          • #6
            Cheers for that How
            Best regards,
            Adam


            "They assumed Kelly was the last... they assumed wrong" - Me

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            • #7
              My pleasure Uncle J....

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              • #8
                Ah interesting.

                Does anyone know the nature of the mutilations or whether there was an arrest made in this case?
                I won't make any deals. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,de-briefed, or numbered!

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                • #9
                  Ask and ye shall recieve,JT.

                  The Pall Mall Gazette (London, England), Wednesday, November 7, 1888

                  Pennock is accused in the PMG of murdering his wife out of jealousy with an axe on the 7th
                  The husband does the old 23 skiddoo and takes off for points unknown.....
                   
                  Northern Echo (Darlington, England), Thursday, December 6, 1888
                   
                   
                   
                  A description of the husband is issued by the chief constable of Northallerton ( Dec.4th)
                   
                  The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Thursday, December 6, 1888
                  A man arrested in New York ( James Haddington or James Shaw ) is now stated as not being the wanted man (the husband was a railway gateman and part time Primitive Methodist preacher....)
                   
                  Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Monday, April 8, 1889
                  His body is found in a state of decomposition in Pickering on Saturday April 6th, 1889.
                  Pennock is buried at 10 PM...near the grave of his wife. He is alleged to have drowned himself.
                   
                  The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, November 10, 1888
                  Particulars regarding the condition of Mrs. Pennock

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                  • #10
                    THanks, brother. Much obliged.
                    I won't make any deals. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,de-briefed, or numbered!

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                    • #11
                      Adam,
                      There was also another domestic mutilation murder in Mansfield, well after the Whitechapel murders, in August 1895.I've posted the details before but they were lost in the crash, maybe you saw them but I think the case is worth posting again as there have been many discussions and people looking for examples of domestic murder with mutilation in the past.

                      The mutilations inflicted in this case were also every bit as horific as the ones inflicted on Mary Kelly.Mary Elizabeth Reynolds had her throat cut, her stomach opened up, her bowels removed and her thighs cut to the kness.
                      Her face was gashed and her breast cut off and thrown in a corner, her body cavity was kept open by a brass stair rod.
                      The perpetrator, a man named wright, who lodged with the victim also cut the throats of Mary's children, who were in the house.
                      His sole excuse for what he had done was that she had rejected his advances.

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                      • #12
                        The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland)
                        Wednesday, August 28, 1895

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Debs & How
                          but neither of these cases - as important as they are - is the one that I was originally referring to, as the case took place between 1886 and 1889, I remember that much; and because of its importance I actually included it on the 'Murder in the LVP' thread... so it is there, somewhere!

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                          • #14
                            I know the Mansfield murder wasn't the case you were refering to, AP.
                            I just reposted that one because I originally posted it before the crash, as an example of a domestic murder and mutilation every bit as horrific as that of MJK, when certain posters at the time were arguing that MJK's murder couldn't possibly have been a one off domestic, and there were no similar examples of domestic's with mutilation involved.

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                            • #15
                              No worries, Debs, all extremely useful cases indeed. I also posted the case that I have in mind for the very same reason, to illustrate that such horrific mutilating murders as that inflicted upon Mary Kelly often have a domestic motive.

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