To Womb It May Concern

[The Good Michael]

Gareth,

You're not suggesting Sir Stanley, emboldened by his travels in Africa, used a machete in the jungles of London, deluding himself that prostitutes were plants? It does work, and he was Welsh, after all.

Mike

[Sam Flynn]

Allegory alert!

I also submit that without at least some knowledge of anatomy, he would not be able to isolate features like mesocentric attachments on the intestines by tactile sensation alone.

You don't need an intimate knowledge of the structure of plants in order to slash your way through the undergrowth with a stick.

[Normy]

Hi PerryMason
Thanks for the clarification.

Although Kate did donate a partial uterus it would be useless as a "sample for sale"...

Well if the target was the uterus what would have been his motive to cut her face? Frustration? Surely someone targeting parts wouldn't bother doing what he did in this case, just move on to another victim?

Cheers

Normy

Hiya all
Maybe slightly off topic but...
If he just wanted body parts for sale he wouldn't have mutilated their faces would he?


Cheers

Normy

The women who may have been killed for their uterus did not have their faces mutilated Normy....thats what Sam was hinting at...

Although Kate did donate a partial uterus it would be useless as a "sample for sale"...and in the case of Mary Ann, the physicians thought that her killer was the same as Annies killer, and she was intended to donate the same organ. The only element really missing in terms of an interruption is excision and extraction, whereas the other alledged Ripper murder that is supposed to have ended prematurely shows no signs that abdominal mutilation was even planned. She is found on her side for one.

I suppose with Kate the kidney may have been a fall back theft....taking a complete organ or some kind might be worth more than a partial uterus. The only thing is we have knowledge that uteri were sought as samples...we do not have that same knowledge about generic, gender neutral organs.

Cheers Normy

[protohistorian]

I would agree. I also submit that without at least some knowledge of anatomy, he would not be able to isolate features like mesocentric attachments on the intestines by tactile sensation alone. Respectfully Dave

[Normy]

Oh no, I'm sorry I take it all back.
Forget I said anything, I just want the quiet life.

Normy

[Sam Flynn]

Maybe slightly off topic but...
If he just wanted body parts for sale he wouldn't have mutilated their faces would he?

There goes the thread! Seriously, though, Normy, I know at least one person who'd agree with that, but not for the reason you and I might have in mind

Come in, Perrymason... but please be gentle with us

[Normy]

Mutilate the faces of Eddowes and Kelly that is.

Cheers

Normy

[Normy]

Hiya all
Maybe slightly off topic but...
If he just wanted body parts for sale he wouldn't have mutilated their faces would he?


Cheers

Normy

[The Good Michael]

I was just pondering the hows and whys of uterus and other organ taking by our favorite neighborhood fiend. I know that some have postulated a sexual reason for uterus theft, while others have suggested specimen taking for a resale purpose. Still others have simply said that JTR was taking whatever he could get his hands on.

I've been examining the uterus (explicit photos, not hands on, mind you) and have come to the conclusion that JTR, unless he had some anatomical knowledge, would probably have just taken what he could take. My reasoning is that the uterus must simply feel like any other organ when someone is rooting around. In its natural state, that is, without a fetus attached to the womb, the uterus is compressed into an oblong shape that would look and feel like any other organ to the layman.

These are just my thoughts from looking at photos of surgery and cross sections of specimens, and still others of doctors holding them in their hands (not Tumblety, alas).

I await the missiles.

Mike