Would It Be The Job of the Police Or the Grand Jury to Discredit Schwartz's Testimony

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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #196
    new information

    Hello Roy.

    "what would Schwartz have said at the inquest or what evidence would he have given that he didn't already share with the police?"

    1. He might have decided whether the other lad had a pipe or knife.

    2. He might have made up his mind whether the other lad was chasing him, or, alike, running FROM BSM.

    3. He might have decided at whom "Lipski" was shouted.

    4. He might have been able to recall the decibel level of a non-loud scream.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • DRoy
      Sergeant
      • May 2012
      • 695

      #197
      Lynn,

      Yes of course you are correct. The point being he didn't testify so we can only assume that none of the questions you asked were even relevant.

      Cheers
      DRoy

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      • Hunter
        Chief Inspector
        • Dec 2009
        • 1745

        #198
        People talking without speaking.
        People hearing without listening.

        Ripperology 101

        Sometimes the sounds of silence have more clarity.
        Best Wishes,
        Hunter
        ____________________________________________

        When evidence is not to be had, theories abound. Even the most plausible of them do not carry conviction- London Times Nov. 10.1888

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        • DRoy
          Sergeant
          • May 2012
          • 695

          #199
          Hunter,

          A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
          A little learning is a dangerous thing

          Ripperology 101

          Sometimes its better not to know anything.

          Cheers
          DRoy

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #200
            assuming

            Hello Roy. Thanks.

            Quite. He never made it there.

            So we may assume . . nothing, perhaps? Always a good policy.

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • lynn cates
              Commisioner
              • Aug 2009
              • 13841

              #201
              speculation

              Hello Cris. Thanks.

              Agreed. And that seems to be what Stewart has been saying.

              Schwartz was not there. So perhaps speculation is idle?

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • Cogidubnus
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2012
                • 3266

                #202
                Schwartz was not there. So perhaps speculation is idle?
                Hi Lynn

                Agreed Schwartz wasn't a witness at the Inquest...or are you suggesting he wasn't at Berner Street? I'm sorry but nobody at this stage can prove that conclusively...we can all surmise, but the truth is, at present there is no hard evidence and we really don't know...

                All the best

                Dave

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                • DRoy
                  Sergeant
                  • May 2012
                  • 695

                  #203
                  Dave,

                  I think Lynn said it earlier, it isn't necessarily that Schwartz is lying but for some reason his story was found not to be worthy. Whether it was location, time, or a translation problem, etc, I don't think Lynn has suggested anything specific.

                  Cheers
                  DRoy

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #204
                    brackets

                    Hello Dave. Thanks.

                    "are you suggesting he wasn't at Berner Street?"

                    That was suggested long ago. As you say, we don't know. So, why not place him in brackets?

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • lynn cates
                      Commisioner
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13841

                      #205
                      deflection

                      Hello Roy. Thanks.

                      My suggestion is basically Tom Wescott's. IS may be trying to deflect blame from the club with his story.

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • Cogidubnus
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 3266

                        #206
                        Hello Lynn

                        That was suggested long ago. As you say, we don't know. So, why not place him in brackets?
                        Quite happy to do that as I've previously indicated...just not happy to dismiss him without proof!

                        All the best

                        Dave

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                        • Cogidubnus
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 3266

                          #207
                          Hi Lynn

                          My suggestion is basically Tom Wescott's. IS may be trying to deflect blame from the club with his story.
                          I believe it was...though I believe Tom may have now backed off this through a lack of evidence

                          All the best

                          Dave

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                          • lynn cates
                            Commisioner
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 13841

                            #208
                            accept/dismiss

                            Hello Dave. Thanks.

                            "not happy to dismiss him without proof!"

                            Or accept him?

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #209
                              more information

                              Hello (again) Dave. Thanks.

                              "Tom may have now backed off this through a lack of evidence"

                              Well, I don't think that it was ever more than a suggestion. But, Tom is wise in that he can argue either way.

                              From my perspective, IF Schwarz is telling the truth, then look no further--BSM killed Liz.

                              But, given the internal inconsistencies with the story and the out of place racial slur, I lean 60-40 against.

                              Perhaps some day we'll have more information?

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • Cogidubnus
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 3266

                                #210
                                Schwartz

                                Hi Lynn

                                Swanson accepted him
                                Anderson (at least at first) accepted him
                                Warren accepted him

                                Until I'm shown something concrete that proves conclusively otherwise who am I to differ?

                                All the best

                                Dave

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