How Would Jack the Ripper Have Reacted?

[Tecs]

Adding to my post above, if Jack needed to finish Liz off quickly it would have been quicker to stab her two or three times.

But that would run the risk of being covered in blood.

The way Jack cut his victims throats, away from him so that no blood sprayed on to him suggests either someone with knowledge of some sort or someone cool and calm enough to know what to do in the circumstances.

Does that tell us anything more about him?

Assuming the above post was how it happened!

regards,

[Tecs]

Jack starts to strangle.

Liz passes out.

She goes limp and begins to fall to the floor (unlike the other victims who would have unwittingly helped Jack by remaining standing to fight back.)

Jack lays her down but hears Diemschutz approaching.

Panicking as he realises that if Liz comes round he is surely identified he cuts her throat as quickly and hastily as possible which explains the slightly different cut from the other victims.

Jack makes his escape quickly, off to find another victim.


That would all fit wouldn't it?

Regards,

[curious]

Hello Velma. If Liz had fainted, her grip would have relaxed and her cachous would have spilled.

On the other hand, pressure to the throat causes clenching.

Cheers.
LC

That's true, Lynn,
Those darn cachous again!

Wonder what a heart attack would cause?

Would the doctors at the time have known what a heart attack looked like?

Surely they would have known something happened? or would they?

[lynn cates]

congruent

Hello Anaemia. Thanks. Yes, those symptoms check out.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Velma. Well, if I recall properly, anaemia causes whiteness around the nail beds.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
Just did a quick check at http://www.emedicinehealth.com/anemi...nemia_symptoms

Symptoms of anemia may include the following:

fatigue;
decreased energy;
weakness;
shortness of breath;
lightheadedness;
palpitations (feeling of the heart racing or beating irregularly); and
looking pale.

Symptoms of severe anemia may include:

chest pain, angina, or heart attack;
dizziness;
fainting or passing out; and
rapid heart rate.

My mother was anemic for much of her younger life and when we were kids, she would frequently faint.

I'm not sure the anemia was the cause, of course, that's just a memory I have.

Oh, and severe blood loss is a cause of anemia, so the sources say.

velma

[lynn cates]

relax

Hello Velma. If Liz had fainted, her grip would have relaxed and her cachous would have spilled.

On the other hand, pressure to the throat causes clenching.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

How Stride and Eddowes ended up on the ground is a question worth looking into. The true connoisseur's mystery about the double event.

Hi, Damaso Marte,

Thanks,

Stride fainting in her killer's arms and slumping downward, to be supported by him and laid gently down would fit.

I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on how they got to the ground.

curious

[curious]

Hi all,

I've said for years that something as simple as Stride fainting makes perfect sense. But there would never be a way to prove it. I would have to say that her dying of a heart attack is far less likely, as that would be more medically obvious. And yes, it's very possible to choke someone to unconsciousness without leaving bruises on their neck. It would depend on the health, muscle mass, strength, and sobriety of the victim.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi, Tom,
Thanks, I was hoping you would chime in, knowing of your study on this case.

If she had fainted, say, then there would have been no need for choking. I can't help but wonder if perhaps that was the reason for the more shallow cut, the one cut, the lack of mutilation -- her reaction deprived the killer of something. . .

all sheer conjecture, of course, just trying the scenario on for a fit.

Any idea why Dr. Phillips could consider the lungs unusually pale. Wasn't there even a remark that someone had seen her earlier, then looked at the body and remarked that the face was more pale?

Again, appreciate your input.

curious

[miakaal4]

Hi Curious,
Regarding your question, I think Jack would have just assumed Stride had succumbed to whatever force he was using to attack. His mind always on the knifework, I doubt her passing out/dying would cause him any hesitation.

[lynn cates]

anaemia

Hello Velma. Well, if I recall properly, anaemia causes whiteness around the nail beds.

Cheers.
LC

[Damaso Marte]

How Stride and Eddowes ended up on the ground is a question worth looking into. The true connoisseur's mystery about the double event.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi all,

I've said for years that something as simple as Stride fainting makes perfect sense. But there would never be a way to prove it. I would have to say that her dying of a heart attack is far less likely, as that would be more medically obvious. And yes, it's very possible to choke someone to unconsciousness without leaving bruises on their neck. It would depend on the health, muscle mass, strength, and sobriety of the victim.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Yes, difficult to understand. Perhaps she had some disease? She had some adhesions--not sure how old.

Cheers.
LC

would being anemic produce that result?

[lynn cates]

lung disease

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Yes, difficult to understand. Perhaps she had some disease? She had some adhesions--not sure how old.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Jon.

"It is bewildering that neither Blackwell, Johnston nor Phillips noticed any marks on her neck or face consistent with strangulation or suffocation."

Precisely.

Cheers.
LC

Another thing I find bewildering is that Dr. Phillips made a point of saying "Both lungs were unusually pale. "

He had already autopsied other bodies with cut throats. Why were Liz's lungs unusually pale?

I think there's something here we don't understand.

curious