Diemschutz arrival

[Garza]

We might assume that if she was unconscious she should have dropped the cachous. Alternately, we might also assume that if she was conscious she would have resisted the attack, thereby dropping the cachous.

One of these assumptions is wrong.

Regards, Jon S.

Strangulation can cause the victims hands to tighten into a fist, causing a grip.

Regarding the cachous, it can only be logically concluded she was strangled or the killer placed them there puroposefully after the murder.

[lynn cates]

complement

Hello Maria.

"I see them complementing each other perfectly"

Perhaps you can explain how they do not contradict, let alone complement, one another?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

time

Hello Tom. If Schwartz is correct, where's Brown? If Brown is correct, where's Schwartz? Seems rather like Long and Cadosch--at least one has the wrong time.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Brown

Hello David. Thanks. If it helps, I think Brown mistaken.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

a little plug of a post

Hi Maria. I wouldn't understand a word of your essay, I'm afraid.

Is that supposed to be false modesty or too bored to read it, lol?
Actually I think it's kinda cool, one of my best ones, tons of politics in the discussion, including lots about the dirty deeds of the Catholic church during the unification of Italy. I kinda think you might like it, since you liked my Cortès one.

Back on subject, I too don't see Schwartz' and James Brown's statements “negating each other“ at all, if fact I see them complementing each other perfectly, plus, even after 2 years of Ripperology, I'm amazed at how circular and repetitive these Stride threads get.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Maria. I wouldn't understand a word of your essay, I'm afraid.

Jon Guy,

Just between you and me, Schwartz and James Brown's statements do not 'negate each other', in spite of what Lynn says. As for reasons to suspect Schwartz' s statements, there are the newspaper reports that say the police made arrests upon his statements, the men were freed, and the police questions the validity of his statements and would not make further arrests until they had reason to believe Schwartz. I personally think he was associated with the Berner Street club, and this is what gave them pause in believe him. However, a study of his actual statement gives us no real reason to disbelieve him, and the later comments from Abberline (following Swanson's Oct. 19th report), show that Abberline seems to have accepted Schwartz as honest.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

No, not apart from Stewart, I'm afraid. None of us are above error, though admittedly, he's more above it than I am!

I for one am not above typos, lol.

And I'm about to send you over a real cool article I've just submitted to my editor (not to Don!), with LOTS of politics and probably lots of typos as well. Conflict between state and church in Verdi’s Risorgimento opera. French influences in models of dramaturgy. Just checking it for typos and translating the French and Italian for ya.

Tom:
"None of us are above error"
Kai sy, teknon...?

This is (ancient) Greek to me.

[Fisherman]

Tom:

"None of us are above error"

Kai sy, teknon...?

Fisherman

[Tom_Wescott]

Apart from SPE, lol.

No, not apart from Stewart, I'm afraid. None of us are above error, though admittedly, he's more above it than I am!

Monty,

You seem to be suggesting that anyone who is researching a suspect, and accepts Stride as a Ripper victim, is only doing so to bolster his theory, and that his conclusions have not come from solid, bi-partisan research.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[DVV]

Hi Lynn

Well, just for a start, if true, it negates Brown's story

And vice versa.

Moreover, it was not corroborated.

Brown's story wasn't either.

[lynn cates]

dubito

Hello Jon G. Thanks.

"I am aware of plenty of Schwartz theorising but I can`t recall any reason to discount his witness statement, sorry."

Well, just for a start, if true, it negates Brown's story--and conversely. Moreover, it was not corroborated.

"How am I supposed to know what was intended?"

Indeed. No more do I. But then how an interruption?

"Can I ask you, Lynn. Are you denying that Schwartz interrupted BS man?"

Well, the logician's reply is, "Dubito"--I doubt [it]. I have no reason to believe Israel's story.

"Personally, it`s too much of a leap of faith to accept that Stride was assaulted twice in a few minutes and even more of a leap of faith to accept that both assailants were interrupted."

Wholeheartedly agree. IF the BS story were true, then HE killed Liz, perhaps in a fit of pique.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

still wonder

Hello Jon. Thanks. Still, I wonder whether pressure of the throat causes a spasm/clenching of the fists?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Reasons are abundant and posted on various threads.

I am aware of plenty of Schwartz theorising but I can`t recall any reason to discount his witness statement, sorry.

Undoubtedly an interruption? Very well, interruption of what?

How am I supposed to know what was intended?

Can I ask you, Lynn. Are you denying that Schwartz interrupted BS man?

Personally, it`s too much of a leap of faith to accept that Stride was assaulted twice in a few minutes and even more of a leap of faith to accept that both assailants were interrupted.

[Wickerman]

Hello Neil. Thanks. Do you think that a movement to the throat, involving pressure, would cause clenching?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.
On this subject of clenching hands I read that this is a result of slow strangulation.
Although a judicial hanging is not exactly the same thing, there is a paper on the internet which explains why some person's who have been executed have distorted expressions and clenched hands, while others do not.

From what I recall of the details it is all to do with how fast the execution is, that these muscular distortions (face & hands) are evidence of a slow death.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

what?

Hello Jon. Thanks. Reasons are abundant and posted on various threads.

Undoubtedly an interruption? Very well, interruption of what?

Cheers.
LC