Swedish Cemetery, Brookwood, Woking

[curious4]

Got it wrong

Hello all,

Read the original article a tad too quickly, he was quoting someone else and it did sound odd!

It is from a magazine called Dast from 2009, he seems only to have written the one article amd I can't find anything else about or from him.

Brst wishes,
C4

[curious4]

aka

Hello Phil,

No problem, must be confusing.

C4

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

Having the unpronouncable name of Gwyneth, I have been called many things from Guinevere to Gwenifer, bit never Velma!

Best wishes,
C4 aka Gwyneth

Hello C4 aka Gwyneth,

That's what comes of having a Curious on the boards called Velma! Apologies to you both!

best wishes

Phil

[curious4]

Hello Phil,

Having the unpronouncable name of Gwyneth, I have been called many things from Guinevere to Gwenifer, bit never Velma!

Best wishes,
C4 aka Gwyneth

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

An update.

I have just rung the cemetery itself (Brookwood).

According to them, there is no knowledge of Elizabeth Stride being buried there (as we thought). In addition, as far as the gentleman I talked to is aware, there is no known memorial plaque etc ever having been laid down at Brookwood either. He will be checking this just in case, and I will get a reply via email.
However, he did suggest that the Swedish Church in London is contacted in conjunction with this last point, as it is they who actually own the ground where the Swedish dead are buried in Brookwood Cemetery,. Whether a memorial was laid down there or not at one time, is unknown (to Brookwood, at present).

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

This looks like a google translation to me. Are you sure the source is Swedish? Starts off with a reference to the White chapel-murderer?? Perhaps originally written in swedish, translated into english and then google translated back to swedish. Very weird swedish I think, anyway, how about you Christer?

Best wishes,
C4

Hello Velma,

The only thing I can say that I immediately notice is that the writer's name is typically Swedish... Jan-Ingvar Olsson.


After that, I'm as in the dark as you are here.

best wishes

Phil

[curious4]

White chapel-murderer

Hello Phil,

This looks like a google translation to me. Are you sure the source is Swedish? Starts off with a reference to the White chapel-murderer?? Perhaps originally written in swedish, translated into english and then google translated back to swedish. Very weird swedish I think, anyway, how about you Christer?

Best wishes,
C4

[Bridewell]

Which translates into, roughly:

"The first scientific treatment of the crimes was presented in an American journal of medicine in November 1888 and since that, a stream of theories has occurred as to the person, characteristics and motive of the perpetrator.

Characteristic for nigh on all of them is that the authors start out with a more or less thorough account of the murders, and they copy each others texts to a great extent. Then they describe, criticize and take apart the theories of other authors. Thereupon follows their own theory, followed by a filling-out between the crimes and the theory. Almost nobody, however, will logically reason their way from the crimes to a theory. You get more of an impression that a person, who has had an interest in the crimes, read about them and mulled them over, has had a stroke of genius and then adjusted the facts to fit that stroke of genius, and honoured it by lending it the term theory."

Can we relate to that ...?

Hi Christer,

Certainly!

Regards, Bridewell.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Christer,

Many thanks my friend.
I have a feeling Ive heard the name before, but can't place it. Annoying!

Best wishes

Phil

[Fisherman]

I can certainly give it a shot, though I am not familiar with the name - but it may take some time, since I am somewhat tied up at the moment.

Will put it on my to-do list, though!

The best,
Fisherman

[Phil Carter]

Hello Christer,

Have you heard of Jan-Ingvar Olsson?
Any chance of you trying to contact the man and ask him about that claim re Brookwood Cemetery?

Best wishes

Phil

[Fisherman]

Hi all!

Let´s not withhold a translation of this from you:

"Den första vetenskapliga behandlingen av brotten kom i en amerikansk medicinsk tidskrift i november 1888 och sedan har det förekommit en ström av teorier om gärningsmannens person, egenskaper och motiv.

Karakteristiskt för nästan alla är att teoriförfattarna börjar med en mer eller mindre noggrann redogörelse för brotten, där de i stor utsträckning skriver av varandra. Sedan refererar, kritiserar och vederlägger de andra författares teorier. Så följer den egna teorin och sedan kommer utfyllnaden mellan brotten och teorin. Däremot är det nästan aldrig någon, som logiskt resonerar sig fram från brotten till en teori. Man får snarare intrycket av att en person, som varit intresserad av brotten, läst om dem och grubblat över dem, fått en snilleblixt och sedan passat ihop fakta med snilleblixten, som hedrats med benämningen teori."

Which translates into, roughly:

"The first scientific treatment of the crimes was presented in an American journal of medicine in November 1888 and since that, a stream of theories has occurred as to the person, characteristics and motive of the perpetrator.

Characteristic for nigh on all of them is that the authors start out with a more or less thorough account of the murders, and they copy each others texts to a great extent. Then they describe, criticize and take apart the theories of other authors. Thereupon follows their own theory, followed by a filling-out between the crimes and the theory. Almost nobody, however, will logically reason their way from the crimes to a theory. You get more of an impression that a person, who has had an interest in the crimes, read about them and mulled them over, has had a stroke of genius and then adjusted the facts to fit that stroke of genius, and honoured it by lending it the term theory."

Can we relate to that ...?

The best,
Fisherman

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil

On the Find-a-Grave site Elizabeth Stride's burial details are listed as follows:

East London Cemetery and Crematorium
Newham
Greater London, England
Plot: Grave #15509, square 37

Best regards

Chris

Hello Chris,

Thank you.
Yup. As I said, goes against all known fact.



Hello Colin,

I tried calling to find out exactly that. Nobody answered. I will try again tomorrow.
Good suggestion.
Best wishes

Phil

[Bridewell]

Perhaps, as she was Swedish, a memorial, rather than her grave, was placed in the Swedish cemetery?

Regards, Bridewell.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Phil

On the Find-a-Grave site Elizabeth Stride's burial details are listed as follows:

East London Cemetery and Crematorium
Newham
Greater London, England
Plot: Grave #15509, square 37

Best regards

Chris