Stride Bruising

[Bridewell]

They thought BSM and Sailor Man were one and the same, and imo they were right.

And in my opinion also.

[Cogidubnus]

Will Swanson do?

Good point Lynn...in fact very good point...

All the best

The other Dave

[Bridewell]

Hello Roy.

"If Schwartz is such a good witness that he had to give his testimony in camera, how many times is he referenced to in any official documents, memoirs, newspapers, police officials like Abberline never mentions him again, etc."

Will Swanson do?

Cheers.
LC

Absolutely. (Except to those who suffer from the delusion that Swanson was a "superannuated filing clerk").

[Cogidubnus]

Excellent Colin!

Dave

[lynn cates]

if

Hello Dave. Thanks.

It is interesting that DSS begins his ruminations much as I do--"If he is telling the truth . . ."

Of course, he follows up with a quick, "And I see no reason he should not be believed."

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi Lynn

I agree with Donald on this. To me it's obvious that Schwartz was telling the truth. It's not an easy thing to do, for an immigrant who can't speak English , to go to the police (and confess he did not help the woman).

Lekhayim !

[Wickerman]

Hello Dave. Thanks.

It is interesting that DSS begins his ruminations much as I do--"If he is telling the truth . . ."

Of course, he follows up with a quick, "And I see no reason he should not be believed."

Cheers.
LC

These are the cautious words of an official who recognises that the police were unable to confirm his story, yet making it clear that neither were they able to refute it.
It is interesting that the press appeared to pick up on some reticence at Leman St. with respect to the story told by Schwartz.

[lynn cates]

not obvious

Hello David. Thanks.

Not obvious to me, although possible.

"It's not an easy thing to do, for an immigrant who can't speak English , to go to the police (and confess he did not help the woman)."

If that, in fact, happened. Sadly, we don't have his words--only the translators.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

bloody convenient

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"These are the cautious words of an official who recognises that the police were unable to confirm his story, yet making it clear that neither were they able to refute it."

Indeed. So there was hesitation from the start?

"It is interesting that the press appeared to pick up on some reticence at Leman St. with respect to the story told by Schwartz."

Quite. Perhaps they indeed doubted Israel's story? And why? Perhaps for the same reasons I have difficulty assenting--the story, replete with a bully ejaculating racial slurs, is bloody convenient for some.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Doubt

Hello Lynn,

I can't see any reason for doubting Schwarz' story, or, indeed any sign that the police did.

I think that what Schwartz said happened, was what happened. Late at night, in a very dodgy part of town and faced with assailants who may, or may not have knives, I venture to suggest that many men would have run like rabbits, then and now. Even men the size of Clive Mantle can get an ear bitten off! We all like to think that we would be heroes, but the instinct for self-preservation often comes first. Also, for all Schwarz knew, the man and woman could have been man and wife - it was legal for a man to "discipline" his wife at the time, and many would have been reluctant to interfere.

Best wishes,
Gwyneth

[lynn cates]

Leman

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Actually, a press report indicates that the police at the Leman st station had doubts about his story.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Ah, but

Hello Lynn,

Yes, but are we to believe all we read in the press?

Greetings,

Gwyneth

[lynn cates]

You takes your choice.

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

I believe NO story is made from whole cloth. I think EACH story must be looked at critically. Then, when errors are found, we must try to understand WHY the error was made.

So, here:

1. The press confused doubt with belief?

2. The press misunderstood what was said?

3. Other?

I'm game.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

A general dismissal of newspaper accounts is just as unhelpful as a general acceptance. Somewhere between the two extreme's lies the truth.

[lynn cates]

bingo

Hello Jon.

"A general dismissal of newspaper accounts is just as unhelpful as a general acceptance. Somewhere between the two extreme's lies the truth."

Hmm, I think I love you. What are your views on side whiskers? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC