Liz Stride Re-Enactment

[c.d.]

Hi CD,

What Schwartz reported was a bodily assault by the broad-shouldered man on a defenceless woman whom he later identified as Stride. It was indisputably an "attack".

Best regards,
Ben

Hi Ben,

Well are all "attacks" equal? If the BS man had walked by and patted her on the butt is that an "attack?"

c.d.

[corey123]

Hello Maria,

I hope you were not shoved against a brick wall at the Ripper conference, but I said as you have attended one, you are a ripperologist. I wouldn't say being a newbie would keep you from the title. I would say to obtain that title, you would have to have an acute interest in the studies, stick with it for a good period, and both learn and teach it. We are all students of ripperology. Even people like Stewart P Evans.

of coarse only if there has to be a title in the first place.

[mariab]

Hi C.D.,
completely agree with what you're saying, particularly with the missing escalation, which would necessarily happen in a domestic argument culminating in murder.
(Although your “why would she want to go back into the yard to "discuss" things“ part totally cracked me up. There's nothing like going into a back yard to discuss things with an angry boyfriend. We all know how that ends, and it ain't murder...!)

[c.d.]

Hi Maria,

I don't think that escalation would necessarily happen. I just think it is much more probable.

c.d.

[mariab]

Perhaps you're right, Corey. (Oh my God! I'm a Ripperologist?!)
“SHOVED AGAINST A BRICK WALL AT THE RIPPER CONFERENCE (and nothing but a Tshirt to show for“.)
Makes a nice newspaper header, no? And we TOTALLY had the right wall for this, courtesy of Rob Clack.
I thought SPE is a newbie, though he says so himself...

[Ben]

Hi CD,

If the BS man had walked by and patted her on the butt is that an "attack?"

No, but what Schwartz described clearly was, which makes the suggested "two unrelated attackers" scenario seem very plausible indeed.

Best regards,
Ben

[mariab]

Hi C.D.,
I totally think that escalation would happen in a domestic killing. And Stride was not beat up on the face at all, and didn't feature any other (minor) cuts than on her throat.
(The comment about the back yard with an angry boyfriend was a joke, by the way.)

[c.d.]

Hi CD,

No, but what Schwartz described clearly was, which makes the suggested "two unrelated attackers" scenario seem very plausible indeed.

Best regards,

Ben

Hi Ben,

But are we to simply ignore her circumstances at the time this "attack" by the BS man occurred? I would venture to guess that given the nature of prostitution and the rough men in Whitechapel at the time,at least one other prostitute was "attacked" that night. Now if you want to say well yes but they weren't murdered shortly after, it is the time element that is important and much less so her encounter with the BS man.

c.d.

[Ben]

Now if you want to say well yes but they weren't murdered shortly after

Not just "shortly after", CD, but at the very same location and by an entirely separate individual. It this, I suggest, that really stretches coincidence. And there's still no problem as far as the cachous is concerned.

Best regards,
Ben

[c.d.]

Well, Ben you and I completely disagree with respect to the cachous and there is no point in going over old ground so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. No problem. That's what these boards are for and it would be boring as hell if everybody agreed.

c.d.

[Ben]

Absolutely, CD, and if it can be acheived with the civility that characterized our brief exchange there, all the better!

[lynn cates]

nerds

Hello Roy.

"Come to think of it, where is your pocket protector?"

Ah yes! No well dressed nerd should be without one!

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

rage

Hello CD. What rage?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

demo

Hello Garza.

"No not all! Push someone against a wall with something in their hand, 9 times out of 10 they will retain whats in their hand."

I trust you've tried this--empirically. Hope your demo partner was not injured.

Being lowered by the scarf is fine. Part of my scenario.

All of this would be easier if you could do the demo. It CAN be done safely--my wife reports only a bruised knee.

Cheers.
LC

[protohistorian]

for Mrs. Cates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HRCacAQ-4

Dave