Stride Photo #2

[Stephen Thomas]

I did post on the other thread about this, but I think there is little doubt that it is a waxwork, quite a good one, but a waxwork, nevertheless.

Hello Jane

You and Tom Wescott too. The question that has to be asked is how the hell waxwork operatives in the LVP got access to a certain body in a certain morgue or otherwise secret police photographs, and as an adjunct, how did said waxwork operatives produce such a magnificent reproduction.

Hello Archaic

I'll give you the height of the forehead and the width of the mouth.

You don't miss a trick, do you you.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Chris!

An interesting painting, thank you!

All the best
Jukka

[Jane Coram]

Hi,

I did post on the other thread about this, but I think there is little doubt that it is a waxwork, quite a good one, but a waxwork, nevertheless.

The accounts of the waxwork shows in contemporary newspapers confirm that there would have been effigies of the victims, and you can bet your bottom dollar that they wouldn't have modelled them in life, but included all the gory details, to satisfy the public's morbid curiosity. There is no reason this couldn't be one of those, or a later one modelled for some other display.

I wonder what happened to the models of the other victims? They've obviously long since turned into mice nests, but it would be great to see some photos of them if there were any still around, just for curiousities sake.

Hugs

Jane

xxxx

[Chris Scott]

Just out of interest there is a painting of Liz Stride at

http://cellarstudios.net/index.php?pr=Paintings

but I don't know the name of the artist

[Tom_Wescott]

It is not a photograph of a human being, so of course it's a fake. I'm amazed at this debate.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Steven Russell]

Steve,

No problem. I should probably have pointed out in my first post above that an appeal court decided that Oscar Slater didn't kill Miss Gilchrist, although I described her as his "victim". I, too, am a schmuck.

Regards,

Mark

We're all schmucks - even Sir AC Doyle after Slater failed to acknowledge Doyle's efforts in materially helping to set him (Slater) free. Ungrateful swine!

Best,

Steve.

[Archaic]

Hi, Stephen, I looked at your close-up comparison of the 2 photos and I'm afraid I have to disagree with you; I don't think they are the same person at all.

Liz Stride has a longer, more slender face with a high forehead and a more delicately shaped nose. Liz's hair isn't as dark and curly and it looks longer... her brows look to be a lighter color. Her lips seem larger. That's my opinion, anyway.

Thanks for enlarging them and putting then side by side.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Steven Russell]

So several of us seem to be agreed on a few points:

1) If the picture is a fake, it was certainly mocked up after 1988 before which time the genuine photo was not available. The resemblance between the two images makes this conclusion inescapable.

2) It must have taken some degree of effort for the faker to create this image. What possible motive could he / she have had for its creation when the genuine article was readily available? I feel that the only possible answers have already been touched upon on this thread i.e. a MODERN waxworks-type exhibition or some sort of movie project.

3) Why would the person responsible for the mysterious book use this image rather than the real one? Copyright? Laziness? Poor research?

All very interesting, to my mind at least.

Regards,

Steve.

[m_w_r]

Oh! 1988! Sorry, Mark, I misread it as 1888! What a schmuck.

Regards,

Steve.

Steve,

No problem. I should probably have pointed out in my first post above that an appeal court decided that Oscar Slater didn't kill Miss Gilchrist, although I described her as his "victim". I, too, am a schmuck.

Regards,

Mark

[Steven Russell]

Why?

Oh! 1988! Sorry, Mark, I misread it as 1888! What a schmuck.

Regards,

Steve.

[m_w_r]

I'd suggest that the book was published in the last twenty-two years.

Regards,

Mark

Why?

Regards,

Steve.

Steve,

I refer you back to post #20.

Regards,

Mark

[Steven Russell]

I'd suggest that the book was published in the last twenty-two years.

Regards,

Mark[/QUOTE]

Why?

Regards,

Steve.

[m_w_r]

Stephen,

Genuine? Whatever next? Prater living at the front of the house?

In the original image, of the page from which the Stride image was extracted, the photograph at the bottom is of Oscar Slater being tried in Edinburgh in 1909. The text on the left also relates to Slater - you can see his forename, and part of his victim's surname (Gilchrist).

So, whatever else it is, the book seems to be a general coverage of famous murder cases. I think the Stride image is very suspicious, but it is so similar to the famous post-mortem photograph that I'd suggest that the book was published in the last twenty-two years.

Regards,

Mark

[Steven Russell]

Quite right too. We need the provenance.

Steve.

[Rob Clack]

Thanks, Rob.

That kills a few theories. Still, the new one is good, isn't it?

Steve.

It's good, but I'm not convinced it's genuine.

Rob