Have you seen this?

[Hunter]

disclaimer

It's probably too late now, but since there was some confusion on Simon's and David's part about my opinion, my earlier post was intended as satire.A light treatise on assumptions and reasoning. I hope Ally understood that. At this point it seems irrelevant.

What we do know about these women is that they seemed to share a common life and a common fate; in the same area; in a short period of time and that's why some of us still believe they shared a common assassin. If that makes me a traditionalist; then so be it. Facts, not assumptions, to the contrary can change my mind.

[Natalie Severn]

I totally agree Ally.It can so easily distort what we need to understand as objectively as possible.It can help us understand the case so much better if we just accept what was clearly the case and avoid adding to the myths that have grown up about these people .

[Natalie Severn]

Tom,
That is interesting information.I didnt know the extent of her lying, but it doesnt surprise me.
Its possible that like Mary Kelly,who also lied through her teeth by the sound of it,Elizabeth Stride possibly thought she could make real money from prostitution in London.She was probably disappointed with the way things turned out,since she was probably once an attractive young woman like Mary was said to be,but perhaps neither were beautiful enough or had quite what it took to reach the top of their chosen "profession".
But you are right.With the drink related troubles they got into and stand up quarrels with their partners,they seem ultimately to have been unhappy and disillusioned with their lives.
Best

[Ally]

Ally,
Our posts had crossed.I was responding to an earlier post.
What I like to think about anyway is not whether she was a whore or not---she was, ofcourse she was.But she also spoke English without an accent,could apparently speak Yiddish as well and seems to me to have been quite bright and adventurous at one time.
So whore or not,she had one or two other things going for her.

To get back to the subject at hand.

Natalie, she may well have had many things going for her but fabricating a personality for someone we don't know, have never met and never will meet is not doing the woman any favors. As I have said time and time again, this recent push to canonize them in addition to making them canonical is completely cracked and not a credit to the women, who, for better or worse chose the lives they led.

It is just as wrong to deify as to demonize without the facts.

[Ally]

Nah. Don't bother. You make a misstatement in public, you retract in public. That's how it works.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

Out of common courtesy, I will send you a pm as a public slanging match is not respectful to the other members of this site.
I regard such activities as ultimately pointless.

best wishes

Phil

[Ally]

Nah don't plan to do that Phil. Because this thread has shown completely two things. When I am wrong, I am fully capable of admitting it. I made an incorrect statement about what you said and then retracted it. You accused me of arguing something I had not and accused me of fabricating and you have yet to retract it or admit you were wrong.

So it's proven that not only are you flat out incapable of admitting you are wrong, but it's also proven that you do not abide by the rules of common courtesy and politeness that you so staunchly defend. And you do respond to my digs. Every time in fact.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

I have no need, want nor desire to respond to your goading. So I will politely advise you... go elsewhere with your verbal digs. I use floccinaucinihilipilification with them.

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Nats,

Stride was an exceptionally unhappy person and her lies seem to have been tailored around her perceived shortfallings. This isn't me fictionalizing Liz, as Ally might say, it's a pretty obvious truth. She was arrested at least 8 times between 1887 and 1888, and possibly more. She lied to Michael Kidney and Charles Preston about her age, lied to everone about her history, about why she talked funny, and even to her best friend about what street she lived on. She complained that she felt she was coming to a 'bad end', so had she met Jack or not, she probably would have anyway.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ally]

Why should I set my sights elsewhere? You never fail to respond with nothing, proving every time you have no real rebuttal.


Non-response in 10...9....8...

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

hahahaha! That was funny!

Nope, not biting that one either. (Sorry)

Set your sights on someone else.

best wishes

Phil

[Ally]

I accept your graceful acceptance of your utter defeat. More people should learn how to lose with style.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

Sorry,

Not biting that one either. Set your sights elsewhere.

best wishes

Phil

PS Your retraction is accepted. Gracefully.

[Ally]

Ally,


I have never mentioned once, throughout this thread, any mention of any lady friends of mine, neither have I mentioned any of my lady friend's personal circumstances. Just where did you get that from?

You are right you didn't. I misread something you had posted earlier. I was wrong and I retract that.

Your comments are factually incorrect. AGAIN.

No that was the first time I was wrong. And you know it because out of everything I said, that was the only thing you could bring up.

I find your comments very childish

best wishes

Phil

PS Patronising me has no effect either (sweetie). Spare yourself the bother.

More of Phil's unending politeness and courtesy. He's such a model of the behavior he expects others to portray.

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Tom.That ofcourse is another aspect of her personality that she really seems to have enjoyed lying!Spinning stories about drowned husbands and throat defects.......I think Catherine Eddowes may have spun a few yarns too!