a theory on the Stride murder

[Trevor Marriott]

[QUOTE=Tom_Wescott;111070]Pontius,

You might be close to the truth. I think it's quite possible that the Ripper, wanting to live up to his new reputation, went out that evening with the intention of killing two women. To achieve this, he must obviously not have any blood on his person following the first murder. Stride's killer would not have had any blood on him. If this is the case, it would also make sense for the man to travel into City territory to kill Kate, and then confuse matters even more by leaving her apron in Met territory!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott[/QUOT

Tom
You know that thinking is bad for you it makes you keep posting these wild speculative theories

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hi Pontius, just read your post about your theory on Strides murder and strangely enough I came to the same conclusion about a week ago after watching some video posts on the net.

It appears to me that if the suspect seen pushing her to the ground at 12.45 outside the gates IS him, AND that he deliberatly shouts out 'Lipski' then he is actually attracting attention to himself and the area. He would probably have known the body would be discovered pretty soon as the club was busy with people coming and going all the time.

I do believe Stride is a victim of the Ripper and she was murdered precisly to divert police and public attention, this to give him more time to devote to his grisly work on the next victim. If this is so then it shows him as you say, to be a premeditated and organised killer, someone who can manipulate Whitechapel for his own ends, - in a way this makes him an even more terrifying character, certainly not a rambling 'mad jew' or bumbling opportunist here, but cool, calculating risk taker who knew his patch, his victims, and his escape routes, he must have felt untouchable!

Chris

Why would this give him more time? There were two bobbies on the beat around Mitre Square....regardless of whether or not an earlier murder should take place.

I think he was calm enough to get the women into the position he wanted....mind you it wouldn't have been so difficult given the women's habits....but ultimately I see this killer as an opportunist rather than planning kills to shock others or create a diversion.

Someone like Pipe Man isn't that bad a bet in terms of behaviour. Wandering the streets.....saw a woman who may have appeared to have been soliciting.....stepped into the shadows/doorway.....lit a pipe and spent a bit of time smoking while waiting to see what happens with the other man and what sort of opportunity would present itself.....seems simple really and no great mystery.

I'd go for a middle ground....i.e. savvy enough to avoid a scene in the streets but very much an opportunist.

[DVV]

Very interesting theory, Pontius,
now you have to explain the GSG / piece of apron accordingly.

Amitiés,
David

[blackfingernail]

Hi Pontius, just read your post about your theory on Strides murder and strangely enough I came to the same conclusion about a week ago after watching some video posts on the net.

It appears to me that if the suspect seen pushing her to the ground at 12.45 outside the gates IS him, AND that he deliberatly shouts out 'Lipski' then he is actually attracting attention to himself and the area. He would probably have known the body would be discovered pretty soon as the club was busy with people coming and going all the time.

I do believe Stride is a victim of the Ripper and she was murdered precisly to divert police and public attention, this to give him more time to devote to his grisly work on the next victim. If this is so then it shows him as you say, to be a premeditated and organised killer, someone who can manipulate Whitechapel for his own ends, - in a way this makes him an even more terrifying character, certainly not a rambling 'mad jew' or bumbling opportunist here, but cool, calculating risk taker who knew his patch, his victims, and his escape routes, he must have felt untouchable!

Chris

[Tom_Wescott]

Pontius,

You might be close to the truth. I think it's quite possible that the Ripper, wanting to live up to his new reputation, went out that evening with the intention of killing two women. To achieve this, he must obviously not have any blood on his person following the first murder. Stride's killer would not have had any blood on him. If this is the case, it would also make sense for the man to travel into City territory to kill Kate, and then confuse matters even more by leaving her apron in Met territory!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

venue

Hello Pontius. I wonder if Mitre Square should be regarded as his area? True, it is north of WhitechapelRoad, but it might be considered London proper.

Perhaps, here, too you are suggesting a change of venue for covert purposes?

The best.
LC

[Pontius2000]

Don't know if this is mentioned before or not. I've been going back and forth lately on whether or not Stride was an actual JTR victim. Everything about it seems wrong.

before the murder, Stride is supposedly seen being assaulted by a man. Her murder is to the south of Whitechapel Rd where all the others are to the north. and her murder took place in an area with more foot traffic than the other locations.

but what if JTR chose this location on purpose? after the Tabram/Nichols/Chapman murders, there was a lot more public and police awareness of a killer on the prowl. What if he chose to kill Stride in that more heavily travelled area. he killed her quickly and stood back and waited for the response. Knowing that her body would soon be found and all the police in the area, as well as public sight-seers, would descend upon the area from all directions. Then, he was able to slip back into his own area (north of Whitechapel Rd), which would soon be completely deserted by all the people rushing to the Stride murder location. This would enable him to kill another (Eddowes) and do what he wanted to do (more intensive mutilations) with the increased liklihood of privacy and not being caught.

So instead of being "interrupted" in the Stride killing, maybe it instead went EXACTLY as he planned it....as a diversion.

If this theory were true, it would say a lot about JTR. It would probably point to him being an "organized" sexual deviant murderer. meaning he was probably of above average intelligence and put more planning into his murders. From Tabram to Kelly, we see a natural progression. If this theory is correct, then in the Eddowes murder he used an earlier killing as a diversion to achieve more mutilation. and then, onto the Kelly killing, he was able to find a prostitute with her own private quarters to kill. and then, this would probably NOT have been by accident. if he was putting that much effort to kill one prostitute as a diversion to murder another, then he probably also put forth effort to actually find a prostitute (Kelly) with her own private room.