saving Liz Stride

Hello Mike. Now I get you. They needed a convincing delivery?

How long was it after the murder before his story popped up? Was it a day or two?

The best.
LC

It was on Sunday night Lynn.....which allows for some "setup" time.

All the best LC

[Roy Corduroy]

Roy,

Go back and read the Star report and Swanson's summary of Schwartz's evidence. Schwartz had just moved from Bener Street THAT VERY DAY to his residence in Ellen Street. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass.

I actually have read the Star and Swanson's summary. Thank you, Tom.

You didn't read what I wrote and you did not answer what I wrote.

I am basically trying to engage in a dialogue considering the possibilities. If you are going to counter with

I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass

Well that's just ******* fantastic.

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

Roy,

Go back and read the Star report and Swanson's summary of Schwartz's evidence. Schwartz had just moved from Bener Street THAT VERY DAY to his residence in Ellen Street. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Roy Corduroy]

Many of the people living at the club had kids. I don't see your point.

No I don't see your point, Tom.

Immediately after the murder, the police sealed off the premises for a thorough search and questioning of the people there. And they surely made a list of those people. If Schwartz and his family are living there, his wife and daughter are on that list. We seem to have no indication from a police report or newspaper clipping that he was "Israel Schwartz, a man residing at the club with his wife and daughter."

Roy

[lynn cates]

OK

Hello Mike. Now I get you. They needed a convincing delivery?

How long was it after the murder before his story popped up? Was it a day or two?

The best.
LC

Just so my position is clear,.....I believe that Israel may have attended that meeting and that due to his ability to play characters on stage,...(theatrical in appearance...), he was chosen to provide the police with a story that had a probable Gentile as an aggressor seen with her just before her murder. I believe the Club saw an opportunity to at least briefly take the suspicions off the local immigrant Jews.....as Anderson clearly suggests the police position was at that time.

I dont see a need for him to have been lodging there, nor would his story make any sense if he was.

Best regards all

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Tom. Thanks. That would make a 1 or 2 night stay a logical thing to do, irrespective of his somewhat different country of origin.

The best.
LC

[Roy Corduroy]

Many of the people living at the club had kids.

Who had kids living there at the club with them?

[Tom_Wescott]

Schwartz had a wife and three year old daughter. He didn't live at the club.

Many of the people living at the club had kids. I don't see your point.

Lynn,

Yes, that's why Joseph Lave, an American Jew, was staying at the club. They offered temporary logdings to recent immigrants while they found a more permanent address.

Yours truly

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

temp

Hello Mike and Tom. Is the suggestion that Schwartz was lodging at the club on a very temporary basis whilst moving?

The best chaps.
LC

[Roy Corduroy]

The Berner Street club offered cheap or free temporary lodgings to recent immigrants while they sought a more permanent address. Naturally, they would also try to recruit them into their cause. Israel Schwartz was a recent Jewish immigrant, living on Berner Street until the day of the murder. The Berner Street Club is the most logical place for him to have been living.

Schwartz had a wife and three year old daughter. He didn't live at the club.

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

The Berner Street club offered cheap or free temporary lodgings to recent immigrants while they sought a more permanent address. Naturally, they would also try to recruit them into their cause. Israel Schwartz was a recent Jewish immigrant, living on Berner Street until the day of the murder. The Berner Street Club is the most logical place for him to have been living. I don't believe he was a member. Most attendees weren't. William Wess knew about the Schwartz story before almost anyone else. There's no hard evidence Schwartz was affiliated with the club, so I'm careful to say it's only a possibility at this point. One day his name will turn up alongside William Wess and we'll have our answer.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Tom, I'm an Englishman. I walk past an English Workingman's Club twice a day but I'm not a member and have never been in there as a visitor.
Are Jews different?
So like if they walk past a Jewish Club they must be a member or at least a part time visitor?
Shine on Israel.

I think in this particular case AP, if a poor Jewish Man is passing by some gates to a poor Jewish Mens Club that was active at 12:45am, its within the realm of possibility it was because he left via the front door.

That wonder is supplemented by a moving story that had to be fiction....based on what people like Israel would actually own and have to move...so its fair to look a bit sideways at him......seeing as his important sighting is not even presented at the Inquest.

My best regards AP

[Cap'n Jack]

Tom, I'm an Englishman. I walk past an English Workingman's Club twice a day but I'm not a member and have never been in there as a visitor.
Are Jews different?
So like if they walk past a Jewish Club they must be a member or at least a part time visitor?
Shine on Israel.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Perry,

I'm not sure what you mean about the anti-Semtism. Of course, policemen carry with them their own biases, as do we all. Some are better at seperated these biases from their professional duties than others, but I could not agree that Scotland Yard as an entity was anti-Semitic at all. In fact, Sir Charles Warren as of Oct. 12th felt there was no way in hell the Ripper could have been a Jew. I can't agree with that, because 30% of the population of that area was Jewish.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott