A problem with the "Eddowes Shawl" DNA match

[mickreed]

Agreed Chris. But the BBC and CNN - weird there is no TV, radio or internet video. Could RE and Dr. JL have walked away from them - perhaps after being told that they would be talking about the Independent article?

cheers, gryff

That is an interesting thought, Gryff.

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

No - I've been wondering about those. My impression is that the telephone interviews he mentioned were for the Finnish newspapers.

Agreed Chris. But the BBC and CNN - weird there is no TV, radio or internet video. Could RE and Dr. JL have walked away from them - perhaps after being told that they would be talking about the Independent article?

cheers, gryff

[Chris]

and he apparently lacks the comfort with the English language necessary if needing to be exact in his comprehension of questions and his replies with a native speaker.

He must find that a handicap in his work as a Senior Lecturer at Liverpool John Moores University.

[Chris]

Checking for news on Dr Louhelainen's Twitter page I was amused to see the following message (unfortunately from Twitter, not the man himself):

Something is technically wrong.
Thanks for noticing—we're going to fix it up and have things back to normal soon.

[Chris]

PS: Anyone know about those trips to the BBC and CNN they made Monday? Any appearances on TV etc?

No - I've been wondering about those. My impression is that the telephone interviews he mentioned were for the Finnish newspapers.

[Archaic]

The ones with that big six inch needle that goes .... OW!!!!

cheers, gryff

Yikes, that's what comes of posting from a so-called smartphone while out in a horse pasture... I typed "super-injunctions" and my phone changed it to "super-injections"!

I keep disabling Auto-Correct, but it keeps coming back.

Time for a large wooden stake I guess.

Cheers,
Archaic

[jmenges]

I just want to say that the impression (granted, this was a month ago) I got from both Dr. L and his PR agent is that they prefer his appearances be with Russell Edwards rather than solo. The reason given to me for this tag team approach was the Dr's general lack of knowledge about particulars of the Whitechapel murders if ever he was asked about something case related, and he apparently lacks the comfort with the English language necessary if needing to be exact in his comprehension of questions and his replies with a native speaker.

JM

Edit- I'd also like to add that my last contact with Dr. Louhelainen was one day before the start of this thread, and Chris indicated he had given Louhelainen the heads up/chance to respond privately before the first post, and so I suspect I know why they preferred not to discuss their findings in any detail in a podcast format with me and selected guests.

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

And, I keep saying this, he is still out there with RE promoting. If he knew he was wrong, but couldn't say so (not the case I'm sure) then the least he could do would be to shut up on the promotion front.

Understand your point Mick - and it really bothers me too. Both you and Chris have tried direct contact - and it seems to have failed.

Maybe one day we will know what is driving Dr. JL. But short of more adverse publicity about the book from the mainstream media, it may be a while.

cheers, gryff

PS: Anyone know about those trips to the BBC and CNN they made Monday? Any appearances on TV etc?

[GUT]

And, I keep saying this, he is still out there with RE promoting. If he knew he was wrong, but couldn't say so (not the case I'm sure) then the least he could do would be to shut up on the promotion front.

That worries me no end, considering he is clamed to have said he's getting nothing out of it. But the attention may have gone to his head.

[mickreed]

I hate to think of all the possible legal agreements Dr.JL has signed or what pressures he is under from all quarters. And he may not be able to use the data that he obtained to defend himself.

Frankly Gryff, I very much doubt that JL is under any contractual inhibitions over this. In all of the communications from him that I know of, he has pleaded privacy firstly, and then later that he didn't accept the information provided.

Now these could be a form of words used to deflect questions, but somehow I doubt it.

And, I keep saying this, he is still out there with RE promoting. If he knew he was wrong, but couldn't say so (not the case I'm sure) then the least he could do would be to shut up on the promotion front.

[GUT]

Well, so long as you do it on commission, you might get 3/8 of 4/5 of not a lot.

Can't take a percentage unlike the Yanks.

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

Robert - for shame. You know one mustn't mention the super-injections!!

Sheesh.
Archaic

The ones with that big six inch needle that goes .... OW!!!!

cheers, gryff

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

No, it doesn't alter his obligations. But he hasn't satisfied those obigations either way, which opens the possibility that he is not able to do so.

Exactly Paul. To me there are potentially four players involved.RE, Dr. JL, the publishers and the LJM University.

Edwards provided the shawl, a budget, and the DNA samples from descendants

If the budget was more than a few hundred pounds it seems likely to me that LJMU's Research & Innovation Services were involved.

As Edwards was paying the bills, who owns the data that was accumulated ? From the above link under the definition of "Contract Research":

Contract Research is generally defined as research commissioned by an external organisation, where any rights generated are usually owned by that organisation.

I hate to think of all the possible legal agreements Dr.JL has signed or what pressures he is under from all quarters. And he may not be able to use the data that he obtained to defend himself.

cheers, gryff

[Archaic]

If there are conditions of silence, can't JL simply say that he cannot comment owing to contractual obligations? Or is it a contractual obligation to not mention the very existence of the contractual obligation - like those super-injunctions we hear about?

Robert - for shame. You know one mustn't mention the super-injections!!

Sheesh.
Archaic

[mickreed]

And how's any of that gonna make me rich?

Well, so long as you do it on commission, you might get 3/8 of 4/5 of not a lot.