A problem with the "Eddowes Shawl" DNA match

[Debra A]

Hi Archaic,
I think (hope) the evidence bags will be mock-ups used in the forensic science course. Jari teaches crime scene investigation as part of the forensic science degree at John Moores.

[Bridewell]

I also noticed the bags have large empty areas marked "Chain of Possession"... how ironic!

Maybe - although the first link in the chain is the person taking possession of the exhibit. His or her initials identify the item. The "Chain of Possession" area would be left blank until it was handled by a second individual. I agree that if these are genuine exhibits, rather than training props, the information should not be on view. They look suspiciously neat for exhibit bags in the real world though.

[Bridewell]

and a rather sad looking Mr Paul Begg with RE, Darren and John (also from RE's facebook page)

After Dinner Chat

I have to wonder why Dr JL is hanging around with these guys

I wasn't aware that hanging around with Paul Begg was now considered beyond the pale.

[Archaic]

Criminal Evidence Bags For Social Media Show & Tell?

And just for good measure:
https://twitter.com/JariLouhelainen/...95046246027265

Hi Chris.

I looked at JL's Twitter photo of sealed Crime Scene Investigation Evidence bags and noticed the Evidence bag on the right has what what looks like a bio-hazard label on it. I also noticed the bags have large empty areas marked "Chain of Possession"... how ironic!

I zoomed in a bit on my laptop. I was shocked to find that I was able to read the labels on the Evidence bags, which contain personal information such as names of victims/donors that ought to be kept private.

Unless Dr Louhelainen happens to train CSI students with FAKE evidence samples in PRETEND sealed and labeled bags, those are Criminal Evidence Bags, not sack lunches or McDonald's Happy Meals.

If JL wants to share a photo of his lunch he's welcome to, but "tweeting" to the world the label side of criminal evidence bags is highly unprofessional. It's not only in poor taste, it violates basic ethical standards such as CONFIDENTIALITY.
What about the victims and their families?

Dr. Louhelainen seems to be carried away with his own sense of "celebrity", and to have forgotten his professional obligations, including his obligations to his students as Senior Lecturer at Liverpool John Moores University.

Wouldn't it be better to set a good example by demonstrating proper professional behavior when training students for a career in Crime Scene Forensics?

I hope Dr. Louhelainen will remove the evidence bags photo immediately and stop this adolescent showing off.

CRIMINAL EVIDENCE BAGS ARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS, NOT ABOUT HIM.

I'm utterly disgusted.
Archaic

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

Dr JL's friends

And just for good measure:
https://twitter.com/JariLouhelainen/...95046246027265

Chris, this is the tweet from Dr. JL's twitter that intrigues me:

My Pal Daz the Bull

Now this character seems to be "business colleague Darren" of RE. And in fact RE made this post on his Facebook page:

Ronnie Biggs Funeral Pics

"Business Colleague Darren" features in all three pictures of the Biggs funeral post. The two lower ones are interesting. First Darren with Dave Courtney - self-proclaimed former gangster and author- both holding sawn off shotguns!! The second with Darren, Courtney and a third man - Chris Lambrianou a former Kray twins enforcer and convicted of the murder of Jack "The Hat" McVite.

And today from RE's Facebook page, the good doctor JL with Darren and a second gentleman called John.

Dr JL at Stonehenge

And a rather sad looking Mr Paul Begg with RE, Darren and John (also from RE's facebook page)

After Dinner Chat

I have to wonder why Dr JL is hanging around with these guys.

RE's world seems bizarre

cheers, gryff

[Chris]

And just for good measure:

https://twitter.com/JariLouhelainen/status/530795046246027265

[Chris]

Astonishing. That the Society would go along with this, I mean.

[Peter Griffith aka gryff]

Ahh the news ...

Hey atleast we got the news to report they didn't actually solve the case right

Well, Rocky, maybe a few weeks ago. Right now though RE is promoting himself and the conference. From RE's website

Russell has taken the world by storm with his DNA evidence, a stunning forensic breakthrough, hear his story at the Salisbury Jack The Ripper Conference, Nov 8th & 9th 2014.

"his DNA evidence" yet ! And a "stunning forensic breakthrough". No mention of the issue around 314.1c/315.1c.

Which reminds me, how did Dr JL's talk go - seen no mention of it on these fora or on the Facebook pages.

cheers, gryff

[RockySullivan]

Hey atleast we got the news to report they didn't actually solve the case right

[Bridewell]

If you felt able to answer such questions, you would answer them surely? The alternative is to allow those who choose to do so to draw an adverse inference.

[GUT]

Sorry Geoffrey but I'm beginning to lack a sense of humour vis a vis these people

Pretty low actually taking money but refusing to allow discussion of the real issues, It's becoming increasingly obvious that they know they are wrong, or else why not address their detractors.

Most obvious Answer they no they are wrong and have no scruples.

[Observer]

Extract from email just sent to the Whitechapel Society

Please remove me from the membership list forthwith.

I am disgusted that two charlatans have been publicly allowed by the society to suppress both questions and evidence at a recent convention.

I am deeply ashamed to be associated in any way with this matter, and will from now on be recommending that persons with a genuine interest in the Whitechapel Murders do NOT on any account join your society



All the best

Dave

They'll be devastated, no doubt.

[Cogidubnus]

Sorry Geoffrey but I'm beginning to lack a sense of humour vis a vis these people

[GUT]

Hi Colin

I'm far from expert, and far from experienced, but I do have at least some principles which the society apparently lack...

All the best

Dave

Dave tells Funnies he used principles in a thread about Edwards.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Colin

I'm far from expert, and far from experienced, but I do have at least some principles which the society apparently lack...

All the best

Dave