The Apron's Significance

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  • Wickerman
    Commissioner
    • Oct 2008
    • 15122

    #31
    Originally posted by JohnSAJR View Post
    . . .

    If and that's a colossal if, that was the case I would wonder why he wrapped the organ from the corner of the apron, and if - another mammoth if, it's some indication of habit or profession.
    I'm not at all suggesting the killer was a butcher, but plenty of people back then knew the correct way to wrap an object, especially one that is wet.
    You place it in one corner, roll the parcel forward, then fold the wrapper left over right, then right over left, then roll forward until it is completely wrapped.
    Butchers still do this today when wrapping meat, and when the parcel is opened the wettest part of the wrapper was that corner.

    The apron appeared to have been cut from the body, the bib section remained around the neck and a patch had been sliced through indicating it had to be cut as opposed to a tear.
    Alternately, part of the apron could have dropped in the mutilation as he was cutting it loose, that also may have been the cause of the blood on the corner.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • Wickerman
      Commissioner
      • Oct 2008
      • 15122

      #32
      Originally posted by Enigma View Post

      Would a policeman continue to check all doors and windows on every round of his beat after doing so first time around? Doing so seems a pointless and time consuming exercise. If not, this could explain the apron not being discovered immediately, if that was the case. Just asking.
      Do you think that was the intent of the rule?
      Regards, Jon S.

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      • Enigma
        Detective
        • Aug 2019
        • 340

        #33
        Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

        Do you think that was the intent of the rule?
        I have no idea if the police were expected to check every door and window on every round of their beat or not. I asked because knowing human behaviour even if the policeman was required to check on every round I believe he would be inclined to slacken off. After all checking thoroughly every 15 to 20 minutes seems pointless.

        What I was getting at, is, if he had already checked the premises he may have not been as vigilant on subsequent rounds which may account for the apron not being seen earlier. Assuming it was there unseen already.

        Similarly, if they were not required to continuously keep checking doors etc, then the apron could just as easily have been overlooked.
        Why a four-year-old child could understand this report! Run out and find me a four-year-old child, I can't make head or tail of it.

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        • Wickerman
          Commissioner
          • Oct 2008
          • 15122

          #34
          Originally posted by Enigma View Post

          I have no idea if the police were expected to check every door and window on every round of their beat or not. I asked because knowing human behaviour even if the policeman was required to check on every round I believe he would be inclined to slacken off. After all checking thoroughly every 15 to 20 minutes seems pointless.

          What I was getting at, is, if he had already checked the premises he may have not been as vigilant on subsequent rounds which may account for the apron not being seen earlier. Assuming it was there unseen already.

          Similarly, if they were not required to continuously keep checking doors etc, then the apron could just as easily have been overlooked.
          Yes, but where is the logic in arguing "I checked it once, so it must be ok the rest of the night"?

          Thieves and Burglars tend to break in when the beat constable is not around, one minute the door is secure, the next minute it is open, so naturally something happened in between time, hence the reason for regular checks.
          How can he discover this if he doesn't check the door every 30 mins?

          You seem to be suggesting the possibility of a lazy constable, or in this case a lazy PC and a lazy DC, in passing through the same street.
          Regards, Jon S.

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          • Enigma
            Detective
            • Aug 2019
            • 340

            #35
            I asked a question of what the police were required to do and was speculating on what may or may not have happened as a result.
            Why a four-year-old child could understand this report! Run out and find me a four-year-old child, I can't make head or tail of it.

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            • etenguy
              Chief Inspector
              • Jul 2017
              • 1581

              #36
              I wondered what you might think about the end point of the argument that I was making. That the killer lived in the city and not in Whitechapel. If that is right we can rule out a lot of suspects.

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              • Wickerman
                Commissioner
                • Oct 2008
                • 15122

                #37
                Originally posted by etenguy View Post
                I wondered what you might think about the end point of the argument that I was making. That the killer lived in the city and not in Whitechapel. If that is right we can rule out a lot of suspects.
                I view the killer as someone who does not live anywhere near the East End, but periodically rents a room somewhere in Whitechapel and operates from that temporary location. People like that were colloquially known as 'slummers', a person attracted by the lures of low places and the physical risks involved in frequenting the worst parts of the East End.
                Regards, Jon S.

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                • etenguy
                  Chief Inspector
                  • Jul 2017
                  • 1581

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                  I view the killer as someone who does not live anywhere near the East End, but periodically rents a room somewhere in Whitechapel and operates from that temporary location. People like that were colloquially known as 'slummers', a person attracted by the lures of low places and the physical risks involved in frequenting the worst parts of the East End.
                  That is quite possible, and if that is the case, then I would have to conclude that the apron was taken to authenticate a message and that the GSG was written by the murderer.

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