John's Echo Interview

[lynn cates]

choosing sides

Hello Richard. Thanks.

I am hesitant about the bloke being on Kate's left. Perhaps he changed sides at the take down?

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi Lynn,
The positioning of the left hand bruise , has all the hallmarks of being grasped in a rough manner, by someone on her left side by their right hand ,
It reminds me of Mrs Cox's nieces story which apparently is ''oral history? an alleged verbal by Mary Kelly, who was heard to say ''All right my love, don't pull me along'' supposedly by the posh gent she told her niece about.
Anyone leading someone up the passage of Millers court would have had to hold that person by their left hand..and if the quote ever happened, apparently was in a rough manner.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

dismissal

Hello Richard. Thanks. No problem.

So the shin bruises were irrelevant. The hand more recent. Wonder why he dismissed it as not related to the crime?

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi Lynn,
Sorry I meant Dr Brown
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

"The name's Bond, Thomas Bond."

Hello Richard. Thanks.

Could be. Of course, I am unaware that Dr. Bond examined Kate. I thought he had seen "MJK" only?

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi Lynn,
I guess Dr Bond altered his mind at the inquest, for his post mortem examination revealed the following..''After washing the left hand carefully, a bruise the size of a sixpence,''recent and red'' was discovered on the back of the left hand between the thumb and first finger..a few small bruises on right shin of ''older date''.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

conclusion

Hello Richard. Thanks.

I believe that that bruise and the one on the shin (posted by Jon) were described by Dr. Brown as "having nothing to do with the crime."

Of course, in "The Daily Telegraph" they are not described as either recent nor old.

So one wonders how he formed such a conclusion.

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I was always under the impression that the bruise,about the size of a sixpence on Eddowes left hand was of recent origin, and might indicate that she was grasped by that hand either by the police officer when arrested, or by the killer in Mitre square.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

learning curve

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Indeed.

Better: there was no apparent external bruising as with the first two.

And one could always suppose that her protruding tongue (if there was one) was pushed back into place.

I am told this is called a "learning curve" or something of that sort.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Considering the damage to Edoowes face, whose to say there wasn`t any bruising before he started carving her face up.

[lynn cates]

older origin

Hello Jon. Thanks.

I know also that there were some bruises "of older origin."

This has always struck me as both Polly and Annie were bruised and had swollen or lacerated tongues--not so Kate.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Can you direct me to the bruising discussion? I went over the inquest with a fine toothed comb and recent bruising was denied. There were, however, some older bruises discussed.

Of course, Dr Brown at the Inquest:

There was a bruise on the back of the left hand, and one on the right shin, but this had nothing to do with the crime.

[lynn cates]

bruising

hello (again) Jon. Thanks.

Can you direct me to the bruising discussion? I went over the inquest with a fine toothed comb and recent bruising was denied. There were, however, some older bruises discussed.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

redundant

Hello Jon. Thanks.

And given that Fred trusted those whom he knew, it seems to make Kate's purported stay at Mile End Casual Ward on Friday night altogether redundant.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Eddowes had recently made bruises on her shins, if these weren`t caused by the Ripper dropping her in Mitre Square perhaps she climbed out of a casual ward window or over the wall. Perhaps, she got in a fight and was ejected.