Is Eddowes demise the key?

[lynn cates]

difference

Hello Jon.

"Killer wanted to reach the sternum."

Ah, so you note the difference too? Splendid.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

punctus contar punctum

Hello Scott

"1. Killer worked on same side of Polly and Annie; other side with Eddowes'

All on right side (except MJK)

"2. Too dark in corner of Mitre Square"

Darker than Buck's Row?

"3. It started getting too messy"

Doubtless--quite messy. That's because the "imitator" (Bonds' word) was inexperienced.

"5. Not known if killer attempted to decapitate Annie. Phillips only said the neck was cut through as if an attempt may have been made to sever the head."

But read about the bones.

"6. Different types of cuts could have been made to victims under varying circumstances -- time, degree of light or darkness, position of body on ground, what side of body killer was on,...'

Indeed. But why are Polly and Annie's so similar?

"7. Assuming the times to carry out mutilations are correct, any of the circumstances in #6, including greater rage in the killer than before."

Rage would more likely entail stabs--not rippings.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

from arguments to quibbles

Honestly, that's more desperate than ever.
Cartilage instead of what ? and that would be a significant difference ?
Oh oh !
Please...

[lynn cates]

sed contra

Hello David.

"Lynn, you're desperately . . ."

There's that adjective again. New vocab addition?

". . . trying to make 3 points out of ONE, which, by the way, is not valid."

They ARE 3 points.

"Kate's throat was cut down to the vertebrae."

You mean cartilage? The others had the BONE nicked.

"Just like the others."

Sorry. No.

"End of your 3 points."

Not at all.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

agreed

Hello Neil. Precisely! (You notice I quit when ahead.)

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Now we could also point out real differences between ascertained victims of a known serial killer, Lynn.
That will be telling, mind you.
With which should we start ? Dahmer ? Kurten ? Gacy ? Madeleine Albright ?
There are actually so many that can prove your 7 points absolutely trivial.

[Jon Guy]

3. Mutilations on Polly and Annie with lifted dress; Kate with cut clothing.

Killer wanted to reach the sternum. Eddowes had more clothing around her waist.

[Scott Nelson]

possible reasons

1. Killer worked on same side of Polly and Annie; other side with Eddowes
2. Too dark in corner of Mitre Square
3. It started getting too messy
4. see #7
5. Not known if killer attempted to decapitate Annie. Phillips only said the neck was cut through as if an attempt may have been made to sever the head.
6. Different types of cuts could have been made to victims under varying circumstances -- time, degree of light or darkness, position of body on ground, what side of body killer was on,...
7. Assuming the times to carry out mutilations are correct, any of the circumstances in #6, including greater rage in the killer that before.

[DVV]

4. Throat cuts to Polly and Annie deeper than to Kate.

5. Annie, attempt to decapitate; not so Kate.

6. Two neck cuts on Polly and Annie; second neck cut on Kate, "superficial."

LC

Lynn, you're desperately trying to make 3 points out of ONE, which, by the way, is not valid.
Kate's throat was cut down to the vertebrae. Just like the others. End of your 3 points.

[DVV]

9, holy number for Mongols. Dedicated to Neil this time

9. Annie was called Annie; Kate, no.

[Monty]

8. Annie killed in a rear-yard; Kate, no.

Both killed in an area used by prostitutes.

Monty

[DVV]

8, chiffre sacré des Templiers

8. Annie killed in a rear-yard; Kate, no.

[lynn cates]

contrast

Hello Chris.

"Perhaps you can explain why it is "clear" that a different hand slew Annie Chapman and Kate Eddowes."

Just as you wish, and merely for starters:

1. Knife cuts on Polly and Annie, down; Kate, up.

2. Mutilations on Polly and Annie described as skillful; Kate, unskilful.

3. Mutilations on Polly and Annie with lifted dress; Kate with cut clothing.

4. Throat cuts to Polly and Annie deeper than to Kate.

5. Annie, attempt to decapitate; not so Kate.

6. Two neck cuts on Polly and Annie; second neck cut on Kate, "superficial."

7. Extensive mutilations on Annie estimated at 15 minutes; many more mutilations on Kate estimated at 5 minutes.

I shall stop there as 7 is supposed to be lucky. Besides, this should be enough for titillation.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi David

So in actual fact a plethora of bacon is saved ! Eddowes is a copycat of Nichols and Chapman therefore the killer of Chapman, and Nichols is saved. As you say Stride's murderer, who wasn't a copycat., saved his bacon thanks to the Mitre Square copycat, who was in turn saved because he was a copycat of Nichol's and Chapman. Kelly's killer's bacon was saved of course because he was a copycat of Nichols, Cahpman, and Eddowes. Kelly's killer's bacon was not saved because of Stride's killer though, that is if we take into account that she did not belong to the C5. If Stride is considered to be a member of the C5, then Kelly's killer's bacon is also saved by Stride's killer.

That's it then !

Observer

Hi Obs, yes, here is the copy-cats scenario. Congrats. I didn't dare follow it up to Kelly. That was already too much bacon for me. It gives me pimples and ruins my good looks.

[DVV]

Well, the woman who shot her husband had been having fights with him we could hear a couple hundred meters away, the guy in the mall I think was robbed and the dead kid was gang member.

Ok? So nothing to be compared with the double event, as I said.