Stealing Jacks Thunder?

It isn't, Mike - but, by the same token, it follows that many, many, many people carried chalk about their person in the LVP and that one of many, many, many different kinds of people could have written that graffito.

Granted Sam,......therefore suggesting to us that we need to review the location and the circumstances of its discovery to assess its potential as evidence relating to the Ripper cases, and its probable life span prior to its discovery.

That last bit refers to the fact that it seems probable if the senior assessment of the message was at all accurate, that the message was not there during daylight. Many Jewish men would pass through there to go home to the Model Dwellings that night....I believe the ethnicity blend in those dwellings was almost 100 % Jewish.

I think that little point gets forgotten when wondering if someone other than the man that left the apron section had written it spitefully or casually.

If Jack didnt write it....and it was written after dark or at dusk that same night, it seems to me that the chances are slim to none that Jack would accidentally find it and toss his apron by it, and secondly that it would so easily fit the known data concerning at least one of the 2 murders that night.

I think coincidence in murder investigations is hardly ever just that.

Cheers Sam

[Sam Flynn]

If he wrote the message as well, then that means he had chalk either conveniently or intentionally....thats not a huge hurdle....chalk was used by every shopkeeper, every tailor, most butchers, builders, teachers, ...a myriad of occupations. So...a killer had some chalk on them? Thats a big deal?

It isn't, Mike - but, by the same token, it follows that many, many, many people carried chalk about their person in the LVP and that one of many, many, many different kinds of people could have written that graffito.

Hi Perry,

When and how do you imagine Kate's killer would have been given the details of Liz's murder, if he wasn't personally involved? Would he not have been doing his level best to avoid people after being up to his elbows in God knows what in Mitre Square?

Love,

Caz
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Hi Caz,

I like that we are being cordial lately....hope it keeps up...anyway, I would imagine in the almost 70 minutes that elapsed after the Mitre Square event news of both murders would have made its way across the East End...all we need is one person from either event after the murder, that is not a policeman, to tell one other person.... and you'd have a wildfire of rumor across the streets there.

I figure that as much as 70 minutes could mean that the placement of the apron was intentionally to misdirect as far as escape routes, that it would have allowed for him to place the "takings" in spirits in some bolt hole nearby....cleaned his hands, maybe changed a Coat or Jacket due to bloodstained cuffs, and headed back out to actually go to his home. If he wrote the message as well, then that means he had chalk either conveniently or intentionally....thats not a huge hurdle....chalk was used by every shopkeeper, every tailor, most butchers, builders, teachers, ...a myriad of occupations. So...a killer had some chalk on them? Thats a big deal?

Cheers Caz, all the best.

[caz]

Hi Perry,

When and how do you imagine Kate's killer would have been given the details of Liz's murder, if he wasn't personally involved? Would he not have been doing his level best to avoid people after being up to his elbows in God knows what in Mitre Square?

Love,

Caz
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[dixon9]

very interesting Perry

Thanks

Dixon9
still learning

yes sam,that was the flaw in my little idea.

I think Dixon a more probable event caused by a murder catalyst that night, (if Jack didnt kill Liz Stride....which I personally believe is the case).....is the placement of a piece of crime scene evidence from a murder Jack likely did commit beside a message that seems to me to suggest that Jews perhaps should have been blamed for Strides murder.

As we know however, on that particular night, "The Jewes/Juwes are the Men that will not be blamed for nothing".

Cheers Mate

[dixon9]

yes sam,that was the flaw in my little idea.

[Sam Flynn]

An interesting idea, Dixon, although I doubt that the news would have travelled quite that quickly, even in the East End, at that time of night - even PC Long, on his Whitechapel beat, hadn't heard of any murder (never mind two) until he reported to the police station with Eddowes' apron.

[dixon9]

Looking at the double event,if 'Jack' was not the killer of Long Liz,could he have gone out to reap his vengeance on Catherine(or first he bumped into) because another was stealing his thunder?