Kate's fire engine performance

[YankeeSergeant]

Where?

Hi Bulldog - as far as I am aware we don't know anything more specific than 'Aldgate' at around 8.30 p.m. I have never seen an actual street name mentioned.

Spitalfields Wanderer, My notes which I took from the victims section say Eddowes was arrested by PC Louis Robinson outside 29 Aldgate High Street and was taken to the Bishopgate police Station.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Where was Eddowes when she was arrested? Does anyone know what street?

Bulldog

Reckon she got drunk at the Bull Inn,above 25 Aldgate Street.
Despite the fact she was seemingly broke,it would appear she could afford an upmarket binge.

[halomanuk]

I think Catherine was drinking for most of the day possibly with a client who was paying for the drinks,who she would 'pay back in kind' later on in the day for the drinks.
Whether she did or not we don't know obviously but she certainly got plastered enough for the City police to keep her in for until 1am .
It's just a shame she didn't stay in the Met district,they would have kept her in until morning as that was their policy,but she obviously knew that hence she stayed in the City in case she was caught.

[kensei]

I always imagine her to be very funny actually but underneath as hard as they come.No doubt to survive she had to be tough.her parting words at Bishopgate of "tarra old co*k" show a lady with a sense of humour but also a bit of a defiant streak to me.

wonder what shed think now over 120 years later that we all sit and discuss her?

No doubt she'd be cracking a joke of one kind or another, something like, "Well blimey, if not for the honor of the thing I'd as soon pass!"

I think she'd beam with pride, though, at being the Ripper victim with the most descendants.

[ianincleveland]

I always imagine her to be very funny actually but underneath as hard as they come.No doubt to survive she had to be tough.her parting words at Bishopgate of "tarra old co*k" show a lady with a sense of humour but also a bit of a defiant streak to me.

wonder what shed think now over 120 years later that we all sit and discuss her?

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I have never believed that Kate was all that drunk. Common sense tells us that, had she been supping up the booze heavily, she wouldn't be up and about and making jokes with the coppers before 1:00 the next morning.

But she must've been quite a bit drunk as surely she wouldn't have been arrested (probably not the right word) in the first place. She was drunk enough to pass out/fall asleep on the street, so it's possible that she could've exhausted herself by 'aving a bit of a laugh beforehand.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Grave Maurice!

It could very well have been a story from a free-minded reporter's pen!

All the best
Jukka

[The Grave Maurice]

I have never believed that Kate was all that drunk. Common sense tells us that, had she been supping up the booze heavily, she wouldn't be up and about and making jokes with the coppers before 1:00 the next morning. The whole fire engine thing is, in my view, an invention. I suspect that Kate was at most, as was said in another context, "spreeish".

[Celesta]

Hi Suzi,

No, not a clue. I can't judge them at all. I don't see how anyone could've lasted long, in that environment, without being tough, canny, and manipulative. Where did she get the wherewithal to get so plastered? Kate just couldn't resist that first little drink that morning and ended up drunk on the pavement. That's the way it works.

[Suzi]

"The bladder was healthy and uninjured, and contained 3 or 4 ounces of water" - Dr Brown.

Stop taking the P*** Sammers!!!

[Ben]

How would one do an impression of a Victorian fire engine, anyway?

Ah, there's a knack to that particular time-honoured technique that we were all taught at the National Youth Theatre, I recall...

Unless one was weeing on some lit matches whilst making such sounds

Yep, that was it!

[Sam Flynn]

trying to fathom how Eddowes "imitated" a fire engine is rather twice-removed fantasy.

I was trying to imagine how anyone could have impersonated a fire-engine, Don. As Rob's suggestion - erm - suggests, it would seem to have been a piece of psshhh

[Sam Flynn]

They were steam engines, so I imagine there would have been "pshh" noises.

"The bladder was healthy and uninjured, and contained 3 or 4 ounces of water" - Dr Brown.

[Suzi]

Hi Cel
Sadly this didn't happen!!! OK we've all been a position to make total idiots of ourseleves- a fire enginge hasn't occurred to date!

Poor Kate was found slumped against a wall- pissed as a rat and probably feeling seriously poorly,pissed off at realising she couldn't get to her daughter- who wouldn't want to see her anyway (sadly)
.How she got into that state at that time / and all of the times is of course a real mystery....
What is it about Kate??..

Cal-
I reckon Kate would have been a tough customer- there are tough girls these days but ,,,,,,,,,,

(OK we're not that sensitive- but we haven't got a clue as to what it was like in the LVP - Let's be fair we haven't had to deal with a lot of this- and hopefully will never have to!

[Celesta]

Look chaps- poor Catharine was pissed as a rat on the street in Aldgate High St or wherever...Whatever happened to her before,during and after the Old C*** will sadly never ever be known.. sadly ...and that's the total embuggerance 'eh

Dear old Kate!..Love her as we do......... bet we wouldn't have liked to meet her in real life though!!....Just ..... a thought!

Suz xx

I'm not sure about the last part, Suzi. You may be right though. I think she might have been funny. It depends on how manipulating she was. I think I'd prefer her over the others, but as Don said it's just "twice-removed fantasy," though entertaining to speculate about. No doubt, you're likely right though. The fire engine story is funny and is the kind of thing I could envision Kate doing. Just a story though.