The 2 upside down v's

[Admin]

Perhaps I was not clear. Your stating that these discussions took place and Sam was aware of them does not constitute proof in the real world.

You have two options for your next post on this thread:

Provide proof or withdraw your comments.

Don't argue. Don't provide excuses, don't attempt to justify making an accusation of this nature without evidence because there is no justification.

Provide proof or withdraw the comment.

[Dan Norder]

It is not sufficient to say that there were discussions that took place and the author was aware of it.

Considering that Sam spends more hours on this board than most everyone else put together, of course he was aware of it, and it's bizarre to claim otherwise.

If there are such discussions, link them and provide evidence for those accusations.

I'll go look to see if a link exists, but if they were part of the year of Casebook posts that disappeared forever because of faulty backup files, not being able to link to them in no way means they didn't happen.

[Admin]

Accusations of plagiarism against another poster either need to be substantiated at the time they are posted or not posted period. It is not sufficient to say that there were discussions that took place and the author was aware of it. If there are such discussions, link them and provide evidence for those accusations. If there is no available evidence that at all supports the accusation, then that accusation needs to be IMMEDIATELY withdrawn, and any accusations in the future that do not have any proof behind them need NOT be made.

If one is going to demand that others proceed within strict ethical guidelines, one would think they would reasonably do likewise.

[Dan Norder]

It isn't a question of independently coming to the same conclusions with similar data... you were aware of the idea as proposed on the Casebook, and you took it without giving credit to the people you got it from and tried to claim it as your own. You can't claim that you weren't aware of it, because you participated in the discussions here about it.

That's a textbook example of plagiarism, and such a clear cut example of it that if you pulled it in an academic institution you'd get suspended, and if you did it at a real publication you'd be fired.

[Sam Flynn]

Thanks, Don.

I hope to write some more, however it'll be a tall order to avoid any ideas about whose existence I don't know. Perhaps someone ought to contact the ghosts of Adams and Leverrier, Wallace and Darwin, or Leibniz and Newton to give them the bollocking they deserved for daring to have come to the same conclusions when presented with similar data.

[Supe]

Sam,

It's all in the writing, anyway. The melancholy tale of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, was around for a long while before Shakespeare took a whack at it. And now no one but a few hopeless pedants are aware of that--and I doubt even they care Will's masterpiece was not entirely original. I just hope you have a lot more such gems in mind for Ripperologist to publish.

Don.

[Sam Flynn]

The theory that the upside down Vs were the result of a single knife wound across the face had been proposed and discussed by other people many years earlier on these boards, and the author of that piece was aware of that but did not credit them for it.

No he emphatically wasn't. It was simply a common-sense conjecture on my part, and I can assure you that I did NOT know at the time of any prior discussion of the idea. If there had been, it possibly wasn't during the time I've been a reader, or member, of Casebook.

I shouldn't be surprised that someone came up with the idea independently before me. After all, it is perfectly possible to arrive at similar conclusions given that we're dealing with the same bony structures under the skin. Big deal.

Of course, none of this will stop the irredeemably smug Dan Norder popping up and sniping at people ages after the event, like one of those disgusting brown missiles that re-surfaces long after you've pulled the chain.

Why he hasn't been banned from this site long before now is one of the great mysteries of the internet. His ad hominem defamations and his pursuit of immature vendettas against well-meaning board members are completely out of order.

[Dan Norder]

The theory that the upside down Vs were the result of a single knife wound across the face had been proposed and discussed by other people many years earlier on these boards, and the author of that piece was aware of that but did not credit them for it. Much of the rest of the dissertation is similarly lax in giving acknowledgments to the original sources for the material presented. I would have hoped by know that someone would have updated the page (either on their own or due to prompting) to fix that oversight.

[Fisherman]

Yes, many people do. Sam Flynn, though, does not. He has written a very good dissertation on the topic, entitled "By accident or by design". You can find it under the dissertations page on these boards, and I thoroughly recommend giving it a read!

All the best,
Fisherman

[mike74]

Does anyone think it's strange how he left 2 upside down v's on CE cheeks?