Proof of Tumblety's Misogyny

[mklhawley]

Hi Phil,

I agree with you, if Littlechild's comments were an anomaly, but it's been corroborated by the multiple of newspaper articles plus Tumblety's words to his exboyfriend, Henry Hall Caine.

Corroboration from entirely separate sources.

Sincerely,

Mike

[Phil Carter]

When Chief Inspector Littlechild discussed Tumblety's bitter hatred, he stated a fact on record. If we take his word for it, and there's no reason why we shouldn't, he was privy to and most likely saw Tumblety extensive Scotland Yard dossier.

Hello Mike,

With the greatest respect here...

1) We cannot take Littlechild's "word" for this on that basis, because the same argument can be used for Anderson, Macnaghten, Abberline,Swanson, etc etc etc. Nothing advances Littlechild's "word" over the others mentioned on the basis "there's no reason why we shouldn't" and "he was privy to and most likely saw Tumblety extensive Scotland Yard dossier"

If Kosminski was infact SO suspected there would have been a dossier on him too...likewise Druitt, etc etc etc So this does not make Littlechild exclusively right.

2) The so-called "fact on record" you quote has never surfaced. Unless it does we cannot with certainty say that it does exist. Ipso facto, it is not "a fact on record". A private letter written by Littlechild, Chief of the Special Branch, would hardly divulge Secret Special Branch information. the argument that Sims would be trustworthy, as a Journalist, from a policeman's point of view, would be shaky. Sim's record as a journalist when writing of the Whitechapel murders was continual. Littlechild would have known exactly what Sims had written previously.


Phil

[mklhawley]

Can anyone point me to evidence that Tumblety was a confirmed woman hater? Does anyone know whether he was ever married and, if so, what is the source of that information?
Just to be clear, I am familiar with the following from the
Daily Telegraph on December 5, 1888: "It is reported by cable from Europe that a certain person, whose name is known, has sailed from Havre for New York, who is famous for his hatred of women, and who has repeatedly made threats against females of dissolute character."

Hi Barrister and Dr. John,

Tumblety once told his landlady that the reason he was going out so late was to visit the grave of his wife. He then told Colonel Dunham and some other military officers that he was once married. Even his death certificate, an official document, states he was a widower. Keep in mind, the source for him being a widower was most likely himself, since he was at St. Johns hospital for a month before he died. Chances are, he was never married. Each time he claimed this there was an agenda to deceive.

I wrote an article in the Whitechapel Society titled Tumblety the Woman Hater, and I go into detail about his misogyny. PM me and I will send it to you. He being a misogynist is more solid than Dr. John has explained only because it's not really personal perception, but there is contemporary evidence. I go into evidence revealed in Neil Storey's book. When Chief Inspector Littlechild discussed Tumblety's bitter hatred, he stated a fact on record. If we take his word for it, and there's no reason why we shouldn't, he was privy to and most likely saw Tumblety extensive Scotland Yard dossier.

I actually have record of a female patient in fear of him, but this is for later.

Sincerely,

Mike

[Dr. John Watson]

Tumblety never married. He was a confirmed homosexual with a preference for teenage boys and younger men. I know of no documentary evidence that Tumblety hated women or that he ever abused or mistreated them. The charge seems based on personal perception rather than solid evidence. He generally shunned the company of women (not unusual for a homosexual) and routinely warned his male acquaintances and "patients" against having sexual relations with loose women because of venereal disease. (The warning was a valid one, but was it also meant to imply that they seek relief from other men instead?) These factors are what probably led to his being thought of as a woman hater. This reputation apparently did not affect how women thought of him: His various landladies seemed to like him, and it was reported that he had a number of wealthy women admirers who came to him for "treatment" and who helped finance his fancy lifestyle. An article stating that he kept a collection of female organs at his home probably gave credence to the "woman hater" claim, along with fueling suspicion that he was Jack the Ripper. He did possess a collection of uteri in glass jars, but there's no evidence he killed to obtain them!

Dr. John

[Barrister]

Can anyone point me to evidence that Tumblety was a confirmed woman hater? Does anyone know whether he was ever married and, if so, what is the source of that information?
Just to be clear, I am familiar with the following from the
Daily Telegraph on December 5, 1888: "It is reported by cable from Europe that a certain person, whose name is known, has sailed from Havre for New York, who is famous for his hatred of women, and who has repeatedly made threats against females of dissolute character."