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  • Originally posted by thewoo1 View Post
    Does anyone have physical description of thompson ? Actually height
    Why not just make it up, a la Richard?

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    • Could thompson the arsonist set the dock fire as a diversion to make one of his killings if he was jtr ?

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      • Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post
        When we look at the Goulston Street Graffito, if the murderer wrote it, the biggest clue is the message, essentially saying blame the Jews. (For the Killings) This fanatical anti-Semitic message has religion as its motive. As an aside, with little more to go on, we can assume that the killer, since he felt compelled to write, was a writer.

        Knowing this when we read the message, we might assume the killer had very specific reasons for his writing it. If the graffito was by a writer who had studied in religion. It considerably narrows the range of suspects to a religious fanatic with experience as a writer. The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing, makes use of a double negative. In poetry, this is called litotes, from the Greek word for simple. A litotes is a figure of speech that makes a positive statement by negating its opposite expressions.
        Litotes, also called double negatives, are often used in the Bible and mostly in Revelations. Biblical scholars cite that the strongest possible use is within Revelations 18:7. Considering, the Ripper killed prostitutes (whores) we find a very remarkable coincidence between the graffito and the bible.
        Revelations 18:7 concerns the words spoken by the Whore of Babylon before she is slain. In this verse the whore boasts how she rides the Beast and rules over the kings of men. She says, I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never not mourn.' Here, the double negative never not is clear, but there are many more.
        In modern translations of this verse, I, the first- person singular pronoun, is used. However, in the original Greek instead of the pronoun I the double negative οὐ μὴ which translates as our me or I We was used. 18:7 reads more correctly as, I We sit as queen; I We am not a widow, and I We will never not mourn.'
        This coincidence grows most compelling when we discover that, in fact, this one verse holds more double negatives than any of all the other 31,102, verses within in the bible. In the Dear Boss letter the Ripper is believed to have written, I am down on whores.

        Regarding coincidences, the English poet Francis Thompson, is a Ripper suspect who, before the murders, studied for several years to become ordained as a Catholic priest. When he wrote the word Jews he used to spell it Juwes the same as in the Goulston Street graffito. Thompson copied the writing style of poets from the 17th century when that was how it was spelt.


        A Goulston Street Coincidence to Religion:

        A singular fact presides over the Ripper killings. The murderer always first subdued his victims before cutting into them. Experts have concluded that the Ripper first strangled his victims to bring about partial asphyxiation and loss of consciousness. The doctors who did their autopsies were not clear about how the strangling took place. The strangulation could have been from a soft cord-like material, as a scarf or necktie. This partial suffocation rendered his victims unable to struggle and prevented them from being able to cry for help. The killer then let his unconscious victims slump to the ground. This provided him with a prone subject and a stable surface to begin cutting.

        It would be very difficult to strangle someone, without them crying out, until they lost consciousness, without the risk of killing them. Jack the Ripper was able to perform this task very well, without exception, repeatedly. There was only one job where someone was trained to do this. A surgeon.
        In the 1870s and 80s anaesthetics, although used in some hospitals, was rare. The usual procedure, in Hospital Emergency Departments, to restrain patients to prepare them for surgery, was by partial asphyxiation. This was achieved by strangulation with a ligature around the neck.
        The English poet Francis Thompson (1859-1907) trained for 7 years as a surgeon in one of the best medical schools in the country. In those years, 1878-1885, Thompson also worked as a surgeon assistant in Manchester Hospitals Emergency Department. As a medical student, Thompson practiced surgery on cadavers, cutting into flesh and removing bodily organ. As a surgeons assistant, Thompson was required to sedate those people who presented injuries needing surgical intervention, such as having a limb amputated. Thompson effectively practiced strangling people into unconscious, every day, year after year.
        Right before the Ripper murders began, Thompson had just been told that an editor had received his poem about killing female prostitutes. He was already making notes for his short story about a man who kills his lover with a knife. He was carrying a razor sharp knife of his own in his coat pocket. He was in the East End, during the murders, solely to find the prostitute who had dumped and fled him. It's too easy to guess what he might have been up to, on the night of November the 8th, when he left his lodgings recently secured at the end of Dorset Street Spitalfields, less than 100 yards from where the Ripper would, a few hours later, kill Mary Kelly. A trait in the way Thompson dressed back then, as this picture of him shows, earned him a nickname. The Necktie Poet.
        hi richard
        can you provide the examples/ sources of thompson spelling Jews as juwes?

        "Is all that we see or seem
        but a dream within a dream?"

        -Edgar Allan Poe


        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

        -Frederick G. Abberline

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        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

          hi richard
          can you provide the examples/ sources of thompson spelling Jews as juwes?
          I very much doubt it, Abby.

          Richard is a supreme embroiderer of facts.

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          • Originally posted by thewoo1 View Post
            Could thompson the arsonist set the dock fire as a diversion to make one of his killings if he was jtr ?
            Thompson wasn’t an arsonist. That’s just Richards spin on a couple of incidents in Thompson’s life.

            Don’t waste your time on this theory.

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            • Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post
              When we look at the Goulston Street Graffito, if the murderer wrote it, the biggest clue is the message, essentially saying blame the Jews. (For the Killings) This fanatical anti-Semitic message has religion as its motive. As an aside, with little more to go on, we can assume that the killer, since he felt compelled to write, was a writer.

              Knowing this when we read the message, we might assume the killer had very specific reasons for his writing it. If the graffito was by a writer who had studied in religion. It considerably narrows the range of suspects to a religious fanatic with experience as a writer. The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing, makes use of a double negative. In poetry, this is called litotes, from the Greek word for simple. A litotes is a figure of speech that makes a positive statement by negating its opposite expressions.
              Litotes, also called double negatives, are often used in the Bible and mostly in Revelations. Biblical scholars cite that the strongest possible use is within Revelations 18:7. Considering, the Ripper killed prostitutes (whores) we find a very remarkable coincidence between the graffito and the bible.
              Revelations 18:7 concerns the words spoken by the Whore of Babylon before she is slain. In this verse the whore boasts how she rides the Beast and rules over the kings of men. She says, I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never not mourn.' Here, the double negative never not is clear, but there are many more.
              In modern translations of this verse, I, the first- person singular pronoun, is used. However, in the original Greek instead of the pronoun I the double negative οὐ μὴ which translates as our me or I We was used. 18:7 reads more correctly as, I We sit as queen; I We am not a widow, and I We will never not mourn.'
              This coincidence grows most compelling when we discover that, in fact, this one verse holds more double negatives than any of all the other 31,102, verses within in the bible. In the Dear Boss letter the Ripper is believed to have written, I am down on whores.

              Regarding coincidences, the English poet Francis Thompson, is a Ripper suspect who, before the murders, studied for several years to become ordained as a Catholic priest. When he wrote the word Jews he used to spell it Juwes the same as in the Goulston Street graffito. Thompson copied the writing style of poets from the 17th century when that was how it was spelt.


              A Goulston Street Coincidence to Religion:

              A singular fact presides over the Ripper killings. The murderer always first subdued his victims before cutting into them. Experts have concluded that the Ripper first strangled his victims to bring about partial asphyxiation and loss of consciousness. The doctors who did their autopsies were not clear about how the strangling took place. The strangulation could have been from a soft cord-like material, as a scarf or necktie. This partial suffocation rendered his victims unable to struggle and prevented them from being able to cry for help. The killer then let his unconscious victims slump to the ground. This provided him with a prone subject and a stable surface to begin cutting.

              It would be very difficult to strangle someone, without them crying out, until they lost consciousness, without the risk of killing them. Jack the Ripper was able to perform this task very well, without exception, repeatedly. There was only one job where someone was trained to do this. A surgeon.
              In the 1870s and 80s anaesthetics, although used in some hospitals, was rare. The usual procedure, in Hospital Emergency Departments, to restrain patients to prepare them for surgery, was by partial asphyxiation. This was achieved by strangulation with a ligature around the neck.
              The English poet Francis Thompson (1859-1907) trained for 7 years as a surgeon in one of the best medical schools in the country. In those years, 1878-1885, Thompson also worked as a surgeon assistant in Manchester Hospitals Emergency Department. As a medical student, Thompson practiced surgery on cadavers, cutting into flesh and removing bodily organ. As a surgeons assistant, Thompson was required to sedate those people who presented injuries needing surgical intervention, such as having a limb amputated. Thompson effectively practiced strangling people into unconscious, every day, year after year.
              Right before the Ripper murders began, Thompson had just been told that an editor had received his poem about killing female prostitutes. He was already making notes for his short story about a man who kills his lover with a knife. He was carrying a razor sharp knife of his own in his coat pocket. He was in the East End, during the murders, solely to find the prostitute who had dumped and fled him. It's too easy to guess what he might have been up to, on the night of November the 8th, when he left his lodgings recently secured at the end of Dorset Street Spitalfields, less than 100 yards from where the Ripper would, a few hours later, kill Mary Kelly. A trait in the way Thompson dressed back then, as this picture of him shows, earned him a nickname. The Necktie Poet.
              If the graffiti was written by and educated man such as Thompson, surley he would have at least got the spelling of the word Jews correct. After all the word Jews and how it is spelt would have been one of the most familair names to be able to spell for an educated man living in London at the time of the murders.

              www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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              • Sorry to be a pedant, but it's my Greek class today so I can't let slip the suggestion that οὐ μὴ implies plurality.
                (Not that I understand why it matters.)
                It's an emphatic 'not'.
                The revelation text (from Textus Receptus) is
                κάθημαι βασίλισσα καὶ χήρα οὐκ εἰμί καὶ πένθος οὐ μὴ ἴδω
                and the word κάθημαι means 'I sit' βασίλισσα means 'a queen (singular)' εἰμί means 'I am', and ἴδω 'I shall see'.
                No 'we' there not never not nohow.
                HTH
                Dupin

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                  So, apparently Thompson broke into the heavily policed Docks surrounded by high walls, started a fire, and then made his escape from the docks in order to distract the police from Bucks Row?

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                  • Thompson mentioned to a friend that he had ‘shaved with a dissecting-scalpel before now’. This apparently translates to his carrying a sharp knife on him at all times.

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