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Lewis,
Here is the link to the thread in question. My post is based on the research from Chris and I in no way, imply my research in this.
"Puckeridge" - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums (Post #13 and #14 by Chris)
Abby,
was he definitely smiths suspect? he actually never names him, and in tje context it seems he may be talking about one of the medical students, morford even?
Did you read post #14? notice the reports were initialled by Major Henry Smith. Chris states:
"Among the surviving City of London CID records at the London Metropolitan Archives are two reports, relating how on 24 September 'Puckridge' had been shadowed from Cheapside to his lodgings in a coffee house in Rupert Street in the West End, and how on the following day two detectives called on the proprietor of the coffee house, who told them that Puckridge had slept there every night for the previous four weeks. The report on how Puckridge was traced to Rupert Street, to which a description of him has been added below, appears to have been initialled by Henry Smith."
Here is Report 1 on 25 September
25th Sept. 1888
I beg to report that in company
with D. S. Child, I saw Mr. W. Tolfree, Proprietor
of the Imperial Coffee House, 50 Rupert Street.
in answer to our Enquiry he informed us that
the man Puckridge had been Lodging with
him for the last four weeks, and had slept
every night in the House. he also said Puckridge
was Eccentric in his habits and given to Eccessive
Drinking, and appears to have ample means.
Fredk. Lawley
D. S.
R. Child. D. S.
Here is Report 2.
24th Sept. 1888
P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
& P. C. P Smith, he went into Lehmans Confectioners
London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
out & walked up & down Coventry Street
then returned to Lockharts remained there about
ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
Street for about half an hour, then went into
a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
and went in at 9.45. P.M. I watched the Place
till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.
25th Sepr.
1888
Thomas Benham
P. C 105
Also, it seems that he was never actually a surgeon or doctor, but only a chemist. correct?
A chemist is like a pharmacist and had medical training. If you look at the statement by Major Smith he states his man had been a medical student. The next statement I copied here from Chris is Charles Warrens statement that covers two of Major Smiths points. Puckeridge was educated as a surgeon and released from an asylum on August 4th.
'Puckeridge' was mentioned in a report by Sir Charles Warren to the Home Office dated 19 September 1888:
"A man called Puckeridge was released from an asylum on 4 August. He was educated as a Surgeon - has threatened to rip people up with a long knife. He is being looked for but cannot be found as yet."
[Evans and Skinner, Ultimate Sourcebook, p. 132]
Now, here is the statement in 1910 from Henry Smith.
"After the second crime I sent word to Sir Charles Warren that I had discovered a man very likely to be the man wanted. He certainly had all the qualifications requisite. He had been a medical student; he had been in a lunatic asylum; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."
[Smith, From Constable to Commissioner, p. 147]
To summarize, look at the dates of the reports. Sept 24th and 25th. Those occurred AFTER the second crime (Annie Chapman). He was a chemist and educated as a surgeon. (Obviously had medical training). AND Sir Charles looked for him but could not find him. Last, he lodged on Rupert Street. What are the chances it is NOT Puckeridge he was talking about?
Back to you, Richard.
Here is the link to the thread in question. My post is based on the research from Chris and I in no way, imply my research in this.
"Puckeridge" - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums (Post #13 and #14 by Chris)
Abby,
was he definitely smiths suspect? he actually never names him, and in tje context it seems he may be talking about one of the medical students, morford even?
Did you read post #14? notice the reports were initialled by Major Henry Smith. Chris states:
"Among the surviving City of London CID records at the London Metropolitan Archives are two reports, relating how on 24 September 'Puckridge' had been shadowed from Cheapside to his lodgings in a coffee house in Rupert Street in the West End, and how on the following day two detectives called on the proprietor of the coffee house, who told them that Puckridge had slept there every night for the previous four weeks. The report on how Puckridge was traced to Rupert Street, to which a description of him has been added below, appears to have been initialled by Henry Smith."
Here is Report 1 on 25 September
25th Sept. 1888
I beg to report that in company
with D. S. Child, I saw Mr. W. Tolfree, Proprietor
of the Imperial Coffee House, 50 Rupert Street.
in answer to our Enquiry he informed us that
the man Puckridge had been Lodging with
him for the last four weeks, and had slept
every night in the House. he also said Puckridge
was Eccentric in his habits and given to Eccessive
Drinking, and appears to have ample means.
Fredk. Lawley
D. S.
R. Child. D. S.
Here is Report 2.
24th Sept. 1888
P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
& P. C. P Smith, he went into Lehmans Confectioners
London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
out & walked up & down Coventry Street
then returned to Lockharts remained there about
ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
Street for about half an hour, then went into
a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
and went in at 9.45. P.M. I watched the Place
till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.
25th Sepr.
1888
Thomas Benham
P. C 105
Also, it seems that he was never actually a surgeon or doctor, but only a chemist. correct?
A chemist is like a pharmacist and had medical training. If you look at the statement by Major Smith he states his man had been a medical student. The next statement I copied here from Chris is Charles Warrens statement that covers two of Major Smiths points. Puckeridge was educated as a surgeon and released from an asylum on August 4th.
'Puckeridge' was mentioned in a report by Sir Charles Warren to the Home Office dated 19 September 1888:
"A man called Puckeridge was released from an asylum on 4 August. He was educated as a Surgeon - has threatened to rip people up with a long knife. He is being looked for but cannot be found as yet."
[Evans and Skinner, Ultimate Sourcebook, p. 132]
Now, here is the statement in 1910 from Henry Smith.
"After the second crime I sent word to Sir Charles Warren that I had discovered a man very likely to be the man wanted. He certainly had all the qualifications requisite. He had been a medical student; he had been in a lunatic asylum; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."
[Smith, From Constable to Commissioner, p. 147]
To summarize, look at the dates of the reports. Sept 24th and 25th. Those occurred AFTER the second crime (Annie Chapman). He was a chemist and educated as a surgeon. (Obviously had medical training). AND Sir Charles looked for him but could not find him. Last, he lodged on Rupert Street. What are the chances it is NOT Puckeridge he was talking about?
Back to you, Richard.
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