A cover up by the men that murdered Princess Diana

[kennyo]

Kennyo,
These are your boards too and you are entitled to share your thoughts and opinions. A bit of gentle ribbing is all part of the game so please don't get discouraged. You asked about other suspects. Here are a few who many consider much more likely candidates than Eddy and Stephen:

Kosminski,
Chapman/Klosowski,
Tumblety,
Druitt,
Stephenson,
Barnett,
Jacob Levy.

I hope this early skirmish hasn't put you off too much.

Best wishes,
Steve.

Many thanks, Steve, I'll be back.

Later

Kennyo

[Steven Russell]

Kennyo,
These are your boards too and you are entitled to share your thoughts and opinions. A bit of gentle ribbing is all part of the game so please don't get discouraged. You asked about other suspects. Here are a few who many consider much more likely candidates than Eddy and Stephen:

Kosminski,
Chapman/Klosowski,
Tumblety,
Druitt,
Stephenson,
Barnett,
Jacob Levy.

I hope this early skirmish hasn't put you off too much.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[kennyo]

Diana

This would be the same Royal Family that are "in fact" a reptilian race of space aliens, would it kennyo??? I suppose that they also had President Kennedy shot, faked the moon landings, and are, at this very moment, plotting the total, final and irreversible destruction of Humankind by 2012???!!!

Kennyo, it can be taken as a pretty strong indication that you have erred, when you find Bob and myself, happily playing on the same team for once, and opening the batting against you! Now that is "Strange but true" as you put it!!!

As for Diana, Nats post sums up my feelings on the matter too.

My whole point of the royal conspiracy is that the establishment is all powerful. Yes, It is highly likely Diana was murdered by them and you only have to read the book I have mentioned to open your minds to the fact that when orchestrating cover ups they are the worlds best. The point I'm making in the royal conspiracy theory is that it smells of another cover up. Take Eddy's alibi's... everyone provided by the palace and their entourage. If we take a step back for a second and just believe for one moment that Eddy's alibi's were fabricated, what other holes are there in the case? Taking it a step further, if he had a duel partner in crime in Stephen why can't we point the finger at these two men who have been proven to have been 'not of sound mind and deed' . I agree it's very unlikely for two homicidal maniacs to take up together and commit murder on such a grand scale. But it happens, look at Fred and Rose West, and The Sunset Strip Killers, Clarke and Bundy. And while we're on the guessing game who are your prime suspects. It appears from your message boards that anyone who profers a theory is usually shot down in flames by the experts who offer nothing in return, further more the posts tend to make a concious effort to ridicule and insult rather than offer anything constructive. And Zodiac, not sure where your coming from on 'This would be the same Royal Family that are "in fact" a reptilian race of space aliens' I've checked and double checked my post and can't find any mention of suggesting the Royal family are a reptilian race of space aliens.

[Robert]

Or as Peter Cook might have said, the sight of an Establishment conspirator running around Whitechapel disembowelling people, might draw unwanted attention.

[Robert]

I would have thought that leaving women lying around in public or semi-public places with their bowels exposed, doesn't exactly smack of discretion.

[bolo]

Hi kennyo,

the Royal Conspiracy Theory and sub-plots like Prince Eddie & J.K. Stephen as a murderous duo are fascinating tales of sex and crime, tragedy, horror and political scandals that still bring fourth new fans and believers and were the starting point for many a Ripperologist's career.

Trouble is that its core elements and allegations rely on information that had been proven wrong time and again. Yes, you can explain away its gaping holes with cover-ups and the intervention of higher powers and whatnot but ignoring the facts is never a good idea, it's right what created this impenetrable jungle of fallacies, hearsay and red herrings that is the Royal Conspiracy theory in the first place.

If you haven't already, check out a few more down-to-earth books on the case by the likes of Philip Sugden, Steward P. Evans or Paul Begg, this might help you to watch things from a different angle.

Regards,

Boris

[Zodiac]

One from the vaults!!!

Look at the holes in the theory of Eddy and Stephen and tell me if those holes could have been conveniently created up by someone with an enormous amount of power, more than the police for example. Dr Gull, the medical council of both Eddy and James Stephen would appear to perhaps have held the key in his documents which were at one time ere held at the New York Academy of Medicine. The Academy politely explained that Dr Gulls notes did not contain any reference to Eddy or James Stephen, they did however point out that some of the dicumentation could have been misplaced . Strange but true!

This would be the same Royal Family that are "in fact" a reptilian race of space aliens, would it kennyo??? I suppose that they also had President Kennedy shot, faked the moon landings, and are, at this very moment, plotting the total, final and irreversible destruction of Humankind by 2012???!!!

Kennyo, it can be taken as a pretty strong indication that you have erred, when you find Bob and myself, happily playing on the same team for once, and opening the batting against you! Now that is "Strange but true" as you put it!!!

As for Diana, Nats post sums up my feelings on the matter too.

[Natalie Severn]

Diana"s death in that tunnel should really be seen as a lesson to all those prepared to get into a car with a drunken driver.

[Bob Hinton]

Tthe Actual Letter

Here is the letter

[Bob Hinton]

Oh really...

Indeed when Doctor Thomas Stowell published an article in the Criminologist in 1970 suggesting the involvement of Eddy in the Whitechapel murders it caused quite a sensation.
Two days later he was dead.
!

Please at least have a go at getting your facts right. The first book to suggest PAV as a suspect was published in 1962 if memory serves.
Apparently no one thought to release the masked assassins on this occasion
.
Stowell published his article in the November Issue of the Criminologist (vol.5 pp.40–51) which was actually available at the end of October I believe. He wrote to the Times on the 5th November to state “"I have at no time associated His Royal Highness, the late Duke of Clarence, with the Whitechapel murderer.”. The letter was published on the 9th of November, a day after Stowell died. Wow shock horror 80 year old man dies at beginning of winter!

So where do you get this idea that he died two days after the article was published? Who the hell appeared on the BBC current affairs programme 24 Hours on 2 November? And who wrote to the Times on the 5th November?

Apart from all of that don’t you think the masked assassins might have done their work better by eliminating him before the article was published? Kinda draws attention to the fact doing it afterwards don’t you think? And of course highly sloppy to let Colin Wilson who spoke to Stowell about this theory to continue living.

Please don’t tell me you actually believe Diana was murdered will you?

[Little Nell]

In order to prove guilt you have to produce evidence. Knowing how to cut up people or animals, having connections in the East End are facts that apply to thousands of people around in 1888.

The trouble with conspiracy theories is that any objection is met with "cover up".

Since Prince Eddy was a royal embarrassment I can't believe he'd ever be allowed anywhere without a minder or two.

But we are free to believe what we want.

[kennyo]

The theory I am leaning towards is Prince Albert Victor and his partner in crime, (I think) James Kenneth Stephen. Everything is there if you pit the two of them together, there are too many flaws in the argument if you point the finger at only one of them. Two... and it all fits, motive, conspiracy, a little madness, violent tendancies against women and of course the necessary means to elude capture with a little help from certain 'friends' within the establishment. Eddy is known to have connections with the East End and there is no doubt he learned the butchering of an animal on the many hunts he enjoyed in Hyde Park and St James's Park which were in fact huge wooded areas back then. Although many Ripperologists will pick holes in the theory, the holes they pick can be easily explained by two words - cover up.
No fingers were pointed at Eddy during the time of the killings. It's not surprising because the establishment had absolute power to cover up scandals using whatever means were necessary, including murder. Some of the unconnected murders not attributed to 'The Ripper' were alledged to have been carried out by agents of the Palace to silence certain individuals who were making their mouths go, even demanding a little hush money to seal their lips. One only has to look at the murder of Princess Diana, (shock horror) to see the power that the Establishment has. Whilst wholly unconnected to the Whitechapel Murders I suggest you take a look at a book quite honestly called. "The Murder of Princess Diana" by Noel Botham to see how the Establishment works. It goes on today and there is no doubt it went on during the Autumn of Horror in 1888.
Indeed when Doctor Thomas Stowell published an article in the Criminologist in 1970 suggesting the involvement of Eddy in the Whitechapel murders it caused quite a sensation.
Two days later he was dead.
Look at the holes in the theory of Eddy and Stephen and tell me if those holes could have been conveniently created up by someone with an enormous amount of power, more than the police for example. Dr Gull, the medical council of both Eddy and James Stephen would appear to perhaps have held the key in his documents which were at one time ere held at the New York Academy of Medicine. The Academy politely explained that Dr Gulls notes did not contain any reference to Eddy or James Stephen, they did however point out that some of the dicumentation could have been misplaced . Strange but true!