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  • #16
    Both Robert D'Onston Stephenson and his Brother Richard Stephenson Junior had been residing in Islington for many years prior to the Whitechapel murders.
    RDS lived in Islington from 1870's whilst Richard moved there a little later after being involved in numerous scandals in Hull (typical councillor!)
    It is possible they knew of the area but the two were quite far away!
    Regards Mike

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    • #17
      Dr Morgan Davies, from a cartoon set in Goring Street...
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      • #18
        Hi David,

        Thanks for the information. I was using the 1882 and 1895 directories and Stephenson's statement. The 1888 Bacon map of London has 'Castle Street' but that atlas is notoriously unreliable.

        Rob

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        • #19
          Just a quick in and out to thank Dave Knott,Clacky, and Mr. Thomas for all these additions to the Stephensonian section. Its really a nice gesture.

          Thank you

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          • #20
            Hi Stephen,

            29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields was indeed a common lodging house. But, I’m afraid it is long gone.

            Judging from the portion of the 1914 OS, posted by Rob, it would appear that it had made way for a larger structure prior to the completion of that particular survey.

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            1891 Census of England & Wales
            Registration District: The Strand
            Civil Parish: St. Martin in the Fields
            Registration Sub-District: St. Martin in the Fields
            Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Martin in the Fields
            Enumeration District: 3
            Page: 19
            RG12_212_215-0439

            The numbering scheme for Castle Street was as follows:

            North Side
            Castle Street, St. Giles in the Fields
            East-to-West
            #’s 2-68

            South Side
            Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields
            East-to-West
            #’s 1-33


            There were fewer numbered buildings on the south side of the thoroughfare, due to the inclusion of a school, coach manufactory and brewery.

            The 1891 Census lists a total of 61 residents, in a dwelling that was perhaps no larger than 29 Hanbury Street. Those folks in the West End had it so easy !!!

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            1871 Large Scale OS
            Red: 29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields

            ***The 300k limit on jpeg images has got to be increased, spryder !!! It used to be in the neighbourhood of 700k !!! The above image looks like sh*t !!!***


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            2006 Aerial
            1871 Large Scale OS Overlay
            Red: 29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields

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            2006 Aerial
            Red w/ Gold Outline: 29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields


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            P.S. Are you off to Wembley tomorrow, to cheer on the Mariners ???

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post
              ***The 300k limit on jpeg images has got to be increased, spryder !!! It used to be in the neighbourhood of 700k !!! The above image looks like sh*t !!!***[/I][/FONT]

              Mine come out alright

              Rob

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

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                1871 Large Scale OS
                Red: 29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields

                ***The 300k limit on jpeg images has got to be increased, spryder !!! It used to be in the neighbourhood of 700k !!! The above image looks like sh*t !!!***
                Mine come out alright
                That's because you never post anything larger than a thumbnail !!!

                This is how it should look !!! But, covering a larger area, of course !!!

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                Red: 29 Castle Street, St. Martin in the Fields


                Colin
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                • #23
                  Just sticking my head over the parapet....What's 'Pantomime Buggery'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......just curious..........

                  Resisting the 'He's Behind You' line!!!! heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sorry! Where were we........
                  Last edited by Suzi; 03-29-2008, 08:43 PM.
                  'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                  • #24
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ID:	653248 Ive decided that the only way to say THAT word is to post a picture of a map!!!!

                    Rob- what's the bit after the 'er male chicken??

                    Good to see there's a lavvy top right though!

                    The **** and what??? Pye/Pie?
                    Last edited by Suzi; 03-29-2008, 09:02 PM. Reason: Oooooooooooooooooops I said the male chicken word there.....!
                    'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                    • #25
                      The public house in question looks like either,

                      The Co.ck and Pig

                      Or

                      The Co.ck and Pyre

                      either way, right up Stephenson's Street!!
                      Regards Mike

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                      • #26
                        He he Mike- put a STOP in and all's well 'eh!

                        Hmmmmmmmmm Yep it looked like that to me too !

                        I suppose in a Terry Pratchett way it could be a PYE aaaaaagh! All hail AM!
                        Last edited by Suzi; 03-29-2008, 09:16 PM.
                        'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                        • #27
                          Hi All,

                          'By **** and pie (pye)' is an adjuration akin to 'by God and the service book'.

                          Shakespearian.

                          Regards,

                          Simon
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • #28
                            REALLY?????? Simon........Thats brilliant if it is........
                            'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                            • #29
                              From:"Seven Dials Monument Charity"

                              http://www.sevendials.com

                              "Neale's development at Seven Dials arose from his connections at Court and his services to the Crown. In return for raising large sums of money through the Venetian Lottery, William III granted Neale freehold of the land known as "Marshland" or "C@ck and Pye Fields" (named after a public house on the site) in 1690."


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                              • #30
                                From Quaint Signs of Olde Inns, by G.J. Monson-Fitzjohn (1926):

                                C@ck and Pye - Drury Lane, W.C., E.C. - This name comes from an old Tudor oath "By C@ck and Pye," an extremely blasphemous one to our modern ears, as it refers to the Cross and Pyx. "Now by C@ck and Pye, you never spoke a truer word in your life" (Soliman and Perseda) and "By C@ck, they are to blame" (Hamlet). It has nothing to do with either c@ck-fighting or game pies - unfortunately.

                                Mark

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