Patricia Cornwell

[Jeff Leahy]

Then there's the whole watermark dating thing...yeah...a master of checking the facts FIRST.

Well yes that is exactly what this is about..not some childish PC tiff seven years ago...

Dan Norder has made a very serious statement about an internationally recognised expert...Peter Bower.

A man who I met at the tate a few years ago, and gave me the honour of some time and opinions...I beleive that his findings were sound..but I'm not an expert on paper

Calling into account his 'findings' questions the validity of his other work? which is extensive

You really dont get it do you Ally..you cant see the wood for the tree's..

This is a very Serious set of alligations that could destroy a mans career, however I beleive him to be totally incorrect..if it proves otherwise I shall apologuise publicly to Dan..

honour would suggest the same in return..

[Jenni Shelden]

Ap,

you clearly have not grown up.

BTW
you've never promoted a suspect have you?

Stay off teh brandy they must have AA in Jersey

Jenni

[Cap'n Jack]

But maybe, Dan, in 14 years time Cornwell will be doing the same thing as Stewart does now, delivering us first class information and material that is totally factual and unconnected to any suspect based publication.
But Stewart wasn't doing it 14 years ago.
He was feeding us with a hodge podge of suspect based nonsense, to emphasise his book which had just been published.
Which Cornwell also did when her book was published.
We all grow up.
Stewart has.
And Cornwell will.
The trouble is that I don't grow up.
And many posters are stuck in the past.
Make no mistake here, I respect, love and admire Stewart as the finest researcher and writer in this field today, but that doesn't mean to say that I forget where he came from... the same place as Cornwell came from a few years back, with a couple of tacky suspect related novels.
I admire Stewart, greatly, but I have also seen him make untoward attacks on subjects that don't suit his purpose or situation, as in the 17th September letter fiasco, and I see no difference in Cornwell's attitude as discussed here.

[Ally]

SO I don't suppose you could consider following the policy if you have nothing to say, say nothing? What do you call a statement of

"I'll be back" to be but blurting out something when you've got nothing real to say? And you are a master of blurting out things without checking facts, like your entire defense of Cornwell, and the history of the animosity that existed between her and Ripperologists which you had to hastily modify once you know...you actually got the facts. Then there's the whole watermark dating thing...yeah...a master of checking the facts FIRST.

[Jeff Leahy]

Right... I am the one here dancing to someone else's tune. Yep.

what's the point of making a post that essentially says nothing. You've done it twice on this thread. A post that says nothing but: I'll come back and post something. That's useless, and a waste of space. If you have something real to say, say it., but posting just to say eventually you are going to say something is retarded.

I'll leave blurting things out until you've checked the facts to the expert

[Tom_Wescott]

Nobody who's done a responsible job of it should be made to feel he should apologize for having written a suspect-oriented book. That's the lifeblood of Ripperology. Druitt, the Royal Conspiracy, Maybrick. Ripperology would be dead or dying without their respective authors.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ally]

Right... I am the one here dancing to someone else's tune. Yep.

what's the point of making a post that essentially says nothing. You've done it twice on this thread. A post that says nothing but: I'll come back and post something. That's useless, and a waste of space. If you have something real to say, say it., but posting just to say eventually you are going to say something is retarded.

[Jeff Leahy]

Once you get directions from whomever be pulling your strings?

You dont need to be a genius to know who pulls your string Ally?

[Dan Norder]

And how on Earth can someone even compare Stewart Evans to Patricia Cornwell? Man, that's messed up.

I disagree with Stewart on a few things (but then I don't agree with anyone all the time, not even myself some days), but, come on. He's got, what, four or more Ripper books that don't try to advance any suspect.... has found, preserved and shared countless (literally countless, take a month to try to do it nonstop and you couldn't count them all) Ripper-related documents, images and facts... has provided input and assistance to the authors behind a high percentage of all the other important books released in the last decade or more... and on top of that is one of the few Ripper authors who stops by these boards to contribute information now and again.

Cornwell on the other hand, has contributed... well... at best she usually serves as one of the few people who most of the people can agree has contributed absolutely nothing of any value to the field, except perhaps for introducing some people to the Ripper who wouldn't otherwise have been interested and who then went on to learn more about it from far more reliable sources. Can't name any of those people offhand, but surely there are some...

[jmenges]

Peter Ackroyd claims that Brits still call Americans "Colonists".

And we know from his introduction in the docklands exhibit book, he is not one to make mistakes.

JM

[Stewart P Evans]

Speculation

Hi Stewart,
I would be very interested to hear your views as to whether Tumblety being arrested on charges of gross indecency was merely a pretext for questioning him indirectly about the murders and perhaps catching him off-guard. Or do you think it could have been a way of saying perhaps you would be better of leaving England for good?
Thanks for your response.
c.d.

The trouble with arguing the case for any suspect is that you are going to find yourself within the realms of speculation. Also arguing the case for a suspect appears to be more emotive than any other aspect of this subject.

Littlechild tells us that Tumblety was arrested for the indecency (unnatural) offences, whilst Tumblety himself claimed to have been arrested in Whitechapel on suspicion of being Jack the Ripper (New York World, January 29, 1889). The arrest reports and other police documentation regarding Tumblety has never been found so we do not know exactly the circumstances of his arrest. In view of all the adverse response to any speculation on what may or may not have happened I would recommend a reading of all the reports, including the Tumblety interview in the New York World, and leave interpretation to the individual.

[Dan Norder]

The "Yankee" term isn't strictly limited to New England and north-east states, although that area is probably the most stereotypically "Yankee". I'm from the Midwest, but I'm definitely considered a Yankee now that I live in Tennessee. Good luck finding a definition that will fit all the various things people mean by it, though.

[c.d.]

Hi Stewart,

I would be very interested to hear your views as to whether Tumblety being arrested on charges of gross indecency was merely a pretext for questioning him indirectly about the murders and perhaps catching him off-guard. Or do you think it could have been a way of saying perhaps you would be better of leaving England for good?

Thanks for your response.

c.d.

[Ally]

I shall be back...

Once you get directions from whomever be pulling your strings?

[Tom_Wescott]

Aarrh! so Norder ye does have some spunk in ye'

I shall be back...

You're a good guy, Jeff, so I'm gonna say that if you want to pick out a poster to lock horns with, you're better off picking someone other than Dan. You could argue that the sun is hot and he'd somehow prove you wrong. In any event, we drew names and it's your turn to go have fun with Perry Mason. Sorry, chap.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott