The Diary — Old Hoax or New or Not a Hoax at All?​

[Lombro2]

I've done a lot of debunking in the course of doing research but I never went into things in order to debunk. Boy, have I been missing out! It's actually quite enjoyable and much easier. You hardly have to do any research at all. Just peruse what's already there and pick the choicest cherries of nonsense.

Now I can enjoy hoaxes and hoaxers like a real debunker.... MB--the gift that keeps on giving.

Wow! This winter is just going to fly!

[Lombro2]

So was she disguising her hand or was she schizoid like a serial killer with multiple handwriting like a serial killer?

Well, I think the latter makes more sense. I think Anna Koren was right about the "multiple" and she plucked it out of the air without prior knowledge. Feldman would have to be an idiot to tell the Israeli graphologist that this was the diary of a businessman (Gentile or Jew?) who was Jack the Ripper if he didn't want to get a false positive for forgery.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This is no wind-up, but it is too late in the evening to resolve it. Linder dated it as November 5 but I had recalled it as November 4. On the latter tape at 23:58, I can only hear Barrett telling Gray that his (Barrett's) father had passed away the night before?

Apologies, Ike, I mis-typed. That should have been from 24:58 on the tape.

I've persevered with the inaudible recording of 5th November. At 50 minutes, Gray appears to be typing out a statement on Barrett's behalf. You can hear the banging of the typewriter keys. He reads out one line which can, miraculously, just about be heard. It says: "My wife, Anne, wrote the Jack the Ripper diary, the actual manuscript".

How is that in any way consistent with Barrett saying, on the very same day according to Linder, that the handwriting was fifty-fifty? It makes no sense, Ike. He couldn't have been saying that he wrote half of the manuscript in view of what is in the statement. It must be a misunderstanding of the words "fifty fifty" by Seth Linder.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock -

Go to the 4 November tape

Is it just me, or do we hear the following exchange starting at 24:58?

Alan G: So, who's handwriting is it?

Mike B: That's the whole point.

AG: Who's handwriting is it?

MB: Anne's.

Alan G: Exactly...

Cheers, RP

Yes, you are absolutely right Roger. I meant to type 24:58 earlier, not 23:58. And then a minute or two later, Gray asks how she did the handwriting and Barrett says, "Easy. She just wrote slow on some occasions".

All entirely consistent with Barrett saying his wife wrote the diary on her own

[Iconoclast]

I've just listened to all 47 minutes of the recording of November 4, 1994 which is the one you identified in #466 as being the correct one. The exchange in question is definitely not on there.
However, at 23:58, Gray asks Barrett whose handwriting was in the diary and Mike says it's Anne's. Gray then asks him "How did she do the handwriting?" to which Barrett replies: "Easy. She just wrote very slow on some occasions".

This is no wind-up, but it is too late in the evening to resolve it. Linder dated it as November 5 but I had recalled it as November 4. On the latter tape at 23:58, I can only hear Barrett telling Gray that his (Barrett's) father had passed away the night before?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Granted, it reads a lot less revealingly now that you've skipped the crucial line: ' ‘You said Anne did it. You're still saying it’s all her handwriting?'

Check it out, Maybrick sticky:

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/suspects/maybrick-james/828407-alan-gray-michael-barrett-cassette-recordings-1994-1996

It's very clear that Barrett has replied to Gray without thinking, Gray thus asks Barrett an awkward question, and Barrett realises he's cocked-up so he changes the story's tack (as ever he did), making the handwriting an equal effort between the two. Remember, he's got Alan Gray telling himself that Barrett is the author of the scrapbook text and Barrett jumps too quickly on what he thinks is an open goal when - in reality - he's facing a very uncomfortable own goal. Gray states that Barrett wrote the manuscript and Barrett happily concurs before realising his mistake and immediately retracting and in the process showing himself to be the liar that he unquestionably was.

Is this a wind-up Ike?

I've just listened to all 47 minutes of the recording of November 4, 1994 which is the one you identified in #466 as being the correct one. The exchange in question is definitely not on there.

However, at 23:58, Gray asks Barrett whose handwriting was in the diary and Mike says it's Anne's. Gray then asks him "How did she do the handwriting?" to which Barrett replies: "Easy. She just wrote very slow on some occasions".

I then tried to listen to the recording of November 5, 1994, which is the one you tell me Seth Linder identified, but it's totally inaudible. It sounds like it’s recorded at the wrong speed so I'm wondering how you managed to listen to this yourself. Are you absolutely sure you've heard it? Is there another version or maybe you're misrememberiing?

I know that in the written extract you provided, Gray is recorded by Seth Linder as having said "You're still saying it's all her handwriting". But, in the recording I heard, Barrett doesn't always listen properly to what Gray is saying. If Gray was overspeaking, Barrett could easily have been continuing with his original answer, not responding to what Gray was saying. That's the problem. That's why I need to hear the original recording but, it seems, I can't. If you insist it's on one of those tapes at the link you've provided, could you please identify it for me?

[rjpalmer]

Hi Herlock -

Go to the 4 November tape

Is it just me, or do we hear the following exchange starting at 24:58?

Alan G: So, who's handwriting is it?

Mike B: That's the whole point.

AG: Who's handwriting is it?

MB: Anne's.

Alan G: Exactly...

Cheers, RP

[Iconoclast]

But, Ike, surely there's an obvious alternative explanation for that exchange?
Gray says "You wrote the manuscript" to which Barrett replies, "Doesn't anyone understand, it's 50/50".
Perhaps Gray interrupted but Barrett might simply have continued on with what he'd already started to say, which was that the diary was a joint effort.
Is the recording available to listen to, please?

Granted, it reads a lot less revealingly now that you've skipped the crucial line: ' ‘You said Anne did it. You're still saying it’s all her handwriting?'

Check it out, Maybrick sticky:

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/suspects/maybrick-james/828407-alan-gray-michael-barrett-cassette-recordings-1994-1996

It's very clear that Barrett has replied to Gray without thinking, Gray thus asks Barrett an awkward question, and Barrett realises he's cocked-up so he changes the story's tack (as ever he did), making the handwriting an equal effort between the two. Remember, he's got Alan Gray telling himself that Barrett is the author of the scrapbook text and Barrett jumps too quickly on what he thinks is an open goal when - in reality - he's facing a very uncomfortable own goal. Gray states that Barrett wrote the manuscript and Barrett happily concurs before realising his mistake and immediately retracting and in the process showing himself to be the liar that he unquestionably was.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This was from Seth Linder's transcription which was a mix of transcription and summary from him; however, I have heard the tape (Linder lists it as Barrett-Gray, November 5, 1994, but I seem to recall it was the day before) and - if I recall correctly without actually checking back right at this instance - he does says 'it's fifty-fifty'.

Suddenly there is a breakthrough. MB shows him a letter he has written to Doreen Montgomery. AG is struck with the handwriting. ‘I’ve seen that Y somewhere else. I haven't seen that in the Ripper Diary, have I. By Christ I've tumbled you at last. You wrote the manuscript.
Now it will be easy for MB to prove.
MB: 'Doesn't anybody understand’.
A thought crosses AG's mind. ‘You said Anne did it. You're still saying it’s all her handwriting?
MB: ‘it’s 50/50’. It appears they did a bit each.
AG: 'And we can prove that?’.

Spoiler alert: Barrett never once proved it to anyone, ever.

Apologies for my early caution and slightly caustic expectation, but I am now awaiting the interpretation which informs us that Barrett was not saying that he and his wife had shared the handwriting credits equally (in much the same way as the scratches in the watch were not tens of years old in 1993 and the initials on the wall are not there, et cetera).

Can't wait for this one. My dear readers, don't say you didn't hear it here first ...

But, Ike, surely there's an obvious alternative explanation for that exchange?

Gray says "You wrote the manuscript" to which Barrett replies, "Doesn't anyone understand, it's 50/50".

Perhaps Gray interrupted but Barrett might simply have continued on with what he'd already started to say, which was that the diary was a joint effort.

Is the recording available to listen to, please?

[Iconoclast]

At least, we know Anna did the study the right way--blind, not knowing it was the alleged diary of Jack the Ripper. And yet she predicted the author was a multiple personality like a serial killer.

I think we have to be very cautious on this point, Lombro2 - I don't think we can be 100% certain she didn't know who the author was supposed to be. We only know what we were told she knew. I'm not casting aspersions here - I'm simply noting that we don't know for certain what Anna Koren had been told before she saw the scrapbook.

[Iconoclast]

Hi Ike,
Do you have the full quote where Barrett expressly said that half of the diary writing was in his hand and half was in his wife's?
Couldn’t the two-word quote you've provided of "fifty fifty" just mean that he was saying they were jointly responsible for creating the diary?

This was from Seth Linder's transcription which was a mix of transcription and summary from him; however, I have heard the tape (Linder lists it as Barrett-Gray, November 5, 1994, but I seem to recall it was the day before) and - if I recall correctly without actually checking back right at this instance - he does says 'it's fifty-fifty'.

Suddenly there is a breakthrough. MB shows him a letter he has written to Doreen Montgomery. AG is struck with the handwriting. ‘I’ve seen that Y somewhere else. I haven't seen that in the Ripper Diary, have I. By Christ I've tumbled you at last. You wrote the manuscript.
Now it will be easy for MB to prove.
MB: 'Doesn't anybody understand’.
A thought crosses AG's mind. ‘You said Anne did it. You're still saying it’s all her handwriting?
MB: ‘it’s 50/50’. It appears they did a bit each.
AG: 'And we can prove that?’.

Spoiler alert: Barrett never once proved it to anyone, ever.

Apologies for my early caution and slightly caustic expectation, but I am now awaiting the interpretation which informs us that Barrett was not saying that he and his wife had shared the handwriting credits equally (in much the same way as the scratches in the watch were not tens of years old in 1993 and the initials on the wall are not there, et cetera).

Can't wait for this one. My dear readers, don't say you didn't hear it here first ...

[Lombro2]

The person who write this diary, according to Anna Koren, the world’s [greatest] handwriting expert and what have you, has got a multiple, and I mean multiple, because I’m quoting....Anna Koren, Anna Koren states quite categorically. Paul Feldman flies her in from Israel. She’s the world’s leading handwriting expert, agreed? Or not? Will everybody agree with me because that’s what’s in the Diary. So Anna Koren gets flied in, right, from Paul Feldman, she looks at the Diary. She doesn’t know it’s the diary of Jack the Ripper.....I never hand wrote it, Anne hand wrote

Doesn't it look like Mike is saying Anne must be schizoid have multiple personalities because Anna Koren said this was the handwriting of a "multiple"?

At least, we know Anna did the study the right way--blind, not knowing it was the alleged diary of Jack the Ripper. And yet she predicted the author was a multiple personality like a serial killer.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The thing is, Mike Barrett also said that it was "fifty-fifty" - half in his hand and half in Anne's. He said it to Alan Gray. He was probably pissed then, and he was certainly pissed when he was at the Cloak & Dagger Club. So what do we do? What do we think is the truth (because it clearly can't be both)? And we can't ignore one because of the drink but believe the other (because of the drink). Oh costly quandary of Barrett!

I know, let's just believe the version we like ...

Hi Ike,

Do you have the full quote where Barrett expressly said that half of the diary writing was in his hand and half was in his wife's?

Couldn’t the two-word quote you've provided of "fifty fifty" just mean that he was saying they were jointly responsible for creating the diary?

[Iconoclast]

She doesn’t know it’s the diary of Jack the Ripper.....I never hand wrote it, Anne hand wrote it, that’s the difference.,,,Anne actually wrote it in her handwriting......

The thing is, Mike Barrett also said that it was "fifty-fifty" - half in his hand and half in Anne's. He said it to Alan Gray. He was probably pissed then, and he was certainly pissed when he was at the Cloak & Dagger Club. So what do we do? What do we think is the truth (because it clearly can't be both)? And we can't ignore one because of the drink but believe the other (because of the drink). Oh costly quandary of Barrett!

I know, let's just believe the version we like ...

[Lombro2]

...I couldn’t keep up with the mortgage so I thought to myself, okay, I’ve been writing for David Burness, Celebrity magazine, I’ve been writing for Chat Magazine, I’ve been writing for Look-In Magazine. I’ve been writing for all these magazines. And I thought to myself, okay Michael, let’s do a Sir Walter Scott. Now anybody is in here, is shall we say familiar with English literature? Sir Walter Scott, if you know anything about Sir Walter Scott. Sir Walter Scott was in a hell of a lot of trouble in the past. And what Sir Walter Scott done, he wrote himself out of it. I mean, literally, he wrote himself out of it. He wrote Ivanhoe. And that’s a god given fact. And that is a god given fact. So I thought to myself, I’ll do the same, I’ll write myself out if it. I’ll write myself out of the – So I thought to myself I’ll write myself out of it. So I wrote myself out of it. Well, I thought I wrote myself out of it. … I’m serious.....So when I wrote it, all of a sudden the Diary gets on the shelf [by which he means in the shops], the Diary becomes genuine and I know and I totally know that the Diary is false. I know because I know I’ve wrote it, but I haven’t wrote it. Anne’s wrote it. Now always remember that fact ladies and gentlemen. Anne wrote it. It’s in her handwriting. Now always remember that fact. That’s a god given fact. So all of a sudden, oopsie daisie. I said, “I’m not having this”.

I said I think I’ve got the diary of Jack the Ripper here, do you understand? Doreen fell for it left, right and centre. So all I had to do was come out and find the Diary of Jack the Ripper and write it. It took me eleven days flat to write..... if she wouldn't have believed the con, I would never have carried on with the con.....I was doing a con. Right....I said I think I've got the Diary of Jack the Ripper. Right. I'm not "sure", I'm not "certain" but I think I really have got it. Right. Remember, I know it's a con... looked in the bookshelf and I found Pan Books. So I phoned Pan Books up and I said "Listen, I really sincerely believe I own the diary of Jack the Ripper - however, I don't have 100% proof. I can't prove it." And they advised me, they said, "We don't work it this way, we don't work it this way, you need an agent." Emphasise an agent. So, they turned round and said, "Doreen Montgomery"....The red ledger, if you understand me, is so small it's untrue. And I thought to myself "Oh sugarlumps". It's no good...It's a Victorian diary but I thought to myself "no good". So I said to myself "Whoopsie daisy. I've just gone and sold the idea to Doreen Montgomery. Now I've got to produce the goods." Are you with me?...Now I'm stuck...all I've got is a little red diary...So I turn around and I go to Outhwaite & Litherland which is operating.... I want to bring her in now. Anna Koren... The person who write this diary, according to Anna Koren, the world’s [greatest] handwriting expert and what have you, has got a multiple, and I mean multiple, because I’m quoting....Anna Koren, Anna Koren states quite categorically. Paul Feldman flies her in from Israel. She’s the world’s leading handwriting expert, agreed? Or not? Will everybody agree with me because that’s what’s in the Diary. So Anna Koren gets flied in, right, from Paul Feldman, she looks at the Diary. She doesn’t know it’s the diary of Jack the Ripper.....I never hand wrote it, Anne hand wrote it, that’s the difference.,,,Anne actually wrote it in her handwriting......Anne blackmailed me with Caroline. She turned round to me...at the book launch and said I’ll never see Caroline again. I’m telling the truth.....I'll tell you how it hurts. Excuse me ladies and gentlemen. I’ll tell you how it hurts. It hurts there through the heart. It kills me from the heart because Anne has lied and she’s used Caroline as a blackmail threat.....

What do you do with the ink? You put a little bit of sugar in it.....I’ll tell you what, we’ll go down there if there are any shops here open now, and we’ll go and get the ink, and we’ll go and get sugar, when you put the sugar in the ink, and you go… the molecules are totally messed up so therefore you can’t produce the exact ink.....So when you do the Diamine ink, right I’m thinking to myself oh I’ve got Diamine ink here, do you understand what I mean, I thought to myself, ooh sugar lumps here. And I mean literally sugar lumps. I thought to myself I can’t produce that Diamaine ink. That can be traced. That can be traced. So I’m putting sugar in and mixing it all up and about, that can’t be traced.'

Sugarlumps! It all makes sense now! He was writing himself out of a jam and he used sugar lumps. Jam and sugar lumps. And I think there are sugar plums and a nutcracker in there too.