the diary

[pinkmoon]

The trial was major news, one of the biggest cases of the era.

If the diary was compiled by someone in battlecrease house it would have been published if flo swung or not, it would have made money and probably of helped flo's cause, none of that happened so it all seems an unlikely scenario, to me.

Perhaps our forger got cold feet and couldn't find a way to get in the public eye without been found out would have been a lot more copies of James maybricks handwriting kicking about in those days

[Kaz]

If Florence was hung and then the diary published soon after because of the timing the diary would sell a lot better her execution would have been major news .

The trial was major news, one of the biggest cases of the era.

If the diary was compiled by someone in battlecrease house it would have been published if flo swung or not, it would have made money and probably of helped flo's cause, none of that happened so it all seems an unlikely scenario, to me.

[Graham]

If Florence was hung and then the diary published soon after because of the timing the diary would sell a lot better her execution would have been major news .

Makes sense, but as she was reprieved but not released from prison, then surely the publication of the 'Diary' might have assisted her in getting her case reviewed, and a possible release? It's an old suggestion that the 'Diary' was written to help Florence's predicament, but never used.

So any thoughts on how the 'Diary' came into the Barretts' possession?

Graham

[pinkmoon]

If Florence was hung and then the diary published soon after because of the timing the diary would sell a lot better her execution would have been major news .

[Kaz]

Florence would be able to rubbish this diary but not if she was dead.

But how would she and more importantly 'why' would she?

I can't see how this explains a forgery by anyone linked to flo/james or battlecrease house?

[pinkmoon]

In what way would flo have contradicted the diary? If anything she would have gone along with it? surely?

I dont believe a nurse from the 19th century could have compiled the diary, nurse yapp's involvement ties into the official line as to how anne;s family possesed it but nothing more. If the diary is a fraud someone very clever, not to mention lucky, wrote it.

James maybrick must have had some documentation at battlecrease maybe a business diary that logged his appointments of the year could our forger have checked that before putting pen to paper so that they would know there was nothing to conflict with maybrick been the ripper.Florence would be able to rubbish this diary but not if she was dead.

[Kaz]

Hi kaz,my theory is that book and watch were forged and were going to be sold to a newspaper or a publisher once Mrs maybrick was hung however when she wasn't hung and would be able to contradict book it was never sold.watch obviously had some value and left the house diary was left hanging about and the rest as they say is history

In what way would flo have contradicted the diary? If anything she would have gone along with it? surely?

I dont believe a nurse from the 19th century could have compiled the diary, nurse yapp's involvement ties into the official line as to how anne;s family possesed it but nothing more. If the diary is a fraud someone very clever, not to mention lucky, wrote it.

[Graham]

Hi kaz,my theory is that book and watch were forged and were going to be sold to a newspaper or a publisher once Mrs maybrick was hung however when she wasn't hung and would be able to contradict book it was never sold.watch obviously had some value and left the house diary was left hanging about and the rest as they say is history

Yes, I go along with that. As to who put pen to paper is obviously impossible to determine, unless someone somewhere has new and unpublished information (are you there, Keith?). Nurse Yapp could well be a contender, as she was not on good terms with James Maybrick - there was even some speculation that she was one of James' many mistresses. The only thing I'd say is that the 'Diary' has always struck me as being written by an accomplished literary person, and purposely made to look a bit dumb in parts, if you follow me.

I mentioned on an earlier post that Paul Feldman discovered there was also a supposed Florence Maybrick Diary that was being touted to the press shortly after her conviction. So it would see that fake 'diaries' were all the rage just then.

Now - how do you suppose the 'Diary' came into Mike Barrett's possession? Via someone at The Saddle, or what?

Graham

[pinkmoon]

You think the diary was written in James Maybrick's house by someone? Nurse yapp?

Hi kaz,my theory is that book and watch were forged and were going to be sold to a newspaper or a publisher once Mrs maybrick was hung however when she wasn't hung and would be able to contradict book it was never sold.watch obviously had some value and left the house diary was left hanging about and the rest as they say is history

[Kaz]

morning Graham,Mike Barrett did not write diary of that I'm sure because of the watch I believe diary was written in battlecrease shortly after maybricks death.The stuff about his mate giving it him and his wife having it in is family is rubbish I think.I do have a theory and its quite straight forward it's not a conspiracy involving lots of people.Problem with all this is that so many lies have been told if we are every told the truth again will we believe it.I do believe Mrs Barrett only lied to keep Mr Barrett out of prison when or if the information keith skinner discoverd in 2007 is released to us I think it will tie in with what I believe

You think the diary was written in James Maybrick's house by someone? Nurse yapp?

[pinkmoon]

PM,

you're preaching to the converted about Mike Barrett possibly forging the 'Diary' himself - I never believed he did. Nor, I believe, did Anne. Therefore if the 'Diary' was not forged within the last 20 years or so, the chances are that it was written a long time ago, and by some means we don't yet know for sure eventually fell into the hands of the Barretts. I would very much like to hear your view on how this occurred. As you knew Mike Barrett, then perhaps you've got information no-one else has been privy to - I don't know. Obviously, if you feel you don't want at this time to divulge anything, then that's your prerogative and I for one would fully understand.

Graham

morning Graham,Mike Barrett did not write diary of that I'm sure because of the watch I believe diary was written in battlecrease shortly after maybricks death.The stuff about his mate giving it him and his wife having it in is family is rubbish I think.I do have a theory and its quite straight forward it's not a conspiracy involving lots of people.Problem with all this is that so many lies have been told if we are every told the truth again will we believe it.I do believe Mrs Barrett only lied to keep Mr Barrett out of prison when or if the information keith skinner discoverd in 2007 is released to us I think it will tie in with what I believe

[Graham]

PM,

you're preaching to the converted about Mike Barrett possibly forging the 'Diary' himself - I never believed he did. Nor, I believe, did Anne. Therefore if the 'Diary' was not forged within the last 20 years or so, the chances are that it was written a long time ago, and by some means we don't yet know for sure eventually fell into the hands of the Barretts. I would very much like to hear your view on how this occurred. As you knew Mike Barrett, then perhaps you've got information no-one else has been privy to - I don't know. Obviously, if you feel you don't want at this time to divulge anything, then that's your prerogative and I for one would fully understand.

Graham

[pinkmoon]

I'm very much inclined to agree with you, PM. If Anne had no connection at all with it, then either:

- Mike Barrett wrote it per his various claims, which I do not for one moment accept. If indeed he did write it, then he should go down in history as a forgery genius.

- he bought it from someone, either directly or indirectly, from some person unknown who found it in or near Battlecrease House.

- it was given to him by Billy Graham, without Anne's knowledge.

- he had contact with a descendant of someone who perhaps was on the staff of Battlecrease House, and who had obtained the 'Diary' by means unknown, and sold it to him.

- he found it secreted behind the wallpaper or in the loft in his house in Goldie Street.

- he found it when walking the dog, if he had a dog.

- it came from the Planet Zog.

Come on, Pinkmoon - own up!

Graham

Graham the purpose of this diary for Mr Barrett was to raise some money he was spending all his money on alcohol very sad.Now for him to forge this he would have to shell out for a diary I think he claimed in his affidavit he paid 80 quid for it. A person with a drink problem is not going to go without his booze to buy a diary which may not make him any money so I think we can disregard the forgery side.A person who has forged a diary and wants to get it on the market in a believably way would not even consider getting Mr Barrett involved so that's that one out of the way.So that leaves one alternative I think and its not to far fetched either.

[pinkmoon]

Pinkmoon, you actually know Mike Barrett?

Yes I've met him quite a few times over the years quite a character .

[Graham]

The problem we have Dave is because of all the lies in the first place anything we are told by anyone involved with this diary we will think here we go again yet more lies.I am pretty certain I've worked out how Mr Barrett came to own the diary and own is the key word.I personally believe his wife has no connection to it at all.

I'm very much inclined to agree with you, PM. If Anne had no connection at all with it, then either:

- Mike Barrett wrote it per his various claims, which I do not for one moment accept. If indeed he did write it, then he should go down in history as a forgery genius.

- he bought it from someone, either directly or indirectly, from some person unknown who found it in or near Battlecrease House.

- it was given to him by Billy Graham, without Anne's knowledge.

- he had contact with a descendant of someone who perhaps was on the staff of Battlecrease House, and who had obtained the 'Diary' by means unknown, and sold it to him.

- he found it secreted behind the wallpaper or in the loft in his house in Goldie Street.

- he found it when walking the dog, if he had a dog.

- it came from the Planet Zog.

Come on, Pinkmoon - own up!

Graham