'Michael is very cluever'

[Stephen Thomas]

I'm surprised the antis didn't jump on it straight away as proof the diary was forged by Barrett.

Do we have examples of Barrett's handwriting?

[Tempus omnia revelat]

Hi Caz

A bit of a red herring there.

I doubt that Gareth's conclusions would have been different had he used the 'pure' text.

x

God! All I was doing was pointing out an interesting anomaly within the text. I'm surprised the antis didn't jump on it straight away as proof the diary was forged by Barrett.

Kind regards,


Tempus

[Stephen Thomas]

Textual Analysis

A very intelligent and likeable fellow who used to post here - a lot - did a whole textual analysis of the diary, using a shoddy (mis)transcript, littered with errors, that he found on Wikipedia.

........ the saddest thing here is, he could have picked up the real deal (the facsimile and accompanying transcript in Shirley's book) for pennies and used that. Might have given all his hard work a bit more credibility.

Hi Caz

A bit of a red herring there.

I doubt that Gareth's conclusions would have been different had he used the 'pure' text.

x

[Stephen Thomas]

Textual Analysis

A very intelligent and likeable fellow who used to post here - a lot - did a whole textual analysis of the diary, using a shoddy (mis)transcript, littered with errors, that he found on Wikipedia.

........ the saddest thing here is, he could have picked up the real deal (the facsimile and accompanying transcript in Shirley's book) for pennies and used that. Might have given all his hard work a bit more credibility.

Hi Caz

[lynn cates]

correspondence

Hello Miakaal. Thanks. One way to find out might be to look at his correspondence (if such can be found) and see how much the phrase is used.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

true story

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"Really? I laughed so hard, I had to take a Benadryl to stop my nose from running. You don't know how much I wish you could post one for me to see."

Indeed? I daresay more will surface. I can show you legally, given I remove the student's name.

Cheers.
LC

[miakaal4]

That's it Caz, the joke was, it was meaningless drivel, with a wrong spelled Jews to encourage even more red herrings to follow. Yes, I can see that now.
What a bas*ard mind that man had.

[caz]

Really? I laughed so hard, I had to take a Benadryl to stop my nose from running. You don't know how much I wish you could post one for me to see.

Blimey, some people are easily amused. If Mike Barrett had written the diary he'd probably have copied phrases - badly - from Weekend or Titbits and we wouldn't be here now.

The saddest thing is, that someone plagiarized Wikipedia. Cripes, if you are going to plagiarize something, plagiarize David Souter's graduate thesis, or even Richard Roeper's old undergraduate papers. Yup, Wikipedia, that's what I aspire to.

A very intelligent and likeable fellow who used to post here - a lot - did a whole textual analysis of the diary, using a shoddy (mis)transcript, littered with errors, that he found on Wikipedia.

I agree with you - the saddest thing here is, he could have picked up the real deal (the facsimile and accompanying transcript in Shirley's book) for pennies and used that. Might have given all his hard work a bit more credibility.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Good question.

Rubbed off by the police to prevent public disorder, then the papers get hold of it anyway. No public disorder - just readers Jewish and Gentile, speculating over WTF it all means.

I imagine the killer had the last laugh whether he wrote it or not.

Love,

Caz
X

[miakaal4]

Hi lynn,Unless they were not 'borrowed' as you say but instead came from the same place? I have often wondered what JM was on about when he spoke of his "Jewish joke", I cannot see what is so funny about it. Which ever way Jews is spelt or whether it is "....are not the men.." or, "...are the men who will not..." it's still not funny.
Unless he was referring to the possible trouble it would cause? Also, and I know there is another thread on this but, if the writing was rubbed off, how did the News get it? Dodgy cop? Anyone know?

[Phil H]

What have I started???????!!!!!!!

[RivkahChaya]

Let's see if I get this correct. You find one word that "looks funny" and think it a clue? The word is NOT misspelled, the first e in "clever" is tightly closed, usually a sign of writing very swiftly.

Stick to your other arguments, Tempus. They are at least plausible whether one agrees with you or not. This is a stretch right up there with R. Wallace's Lewis Carroll anagrams.

It's kind of like Zodiac. He states that one of his coded messages contains his identity. It probably does.

Or, according to one FBI cryptanalyst, it is a string of nonsense, and is a joke, just Zodiac messing with us.

The main problem with the idea of a "clue" of any kind in the diary is, "clues to what"? The diarist flat out tells us he is Jack the Ripper. What then is he hiding that he needs to drop clues to?

Do you seriously think that Jack the Ripper wrote the word 'clue' in his diary to lead the clever (or should that be 'cluever') detectives amongst us to the truth?

Yeah, because the whole time the hypothetical Maybrick was writing it, he imagined an audience of ordinary people, 100-120 years in the future studying it, and that's why he wrote it. So he dropped in there little Easter eggs.

When trying to ascertain whether a student paper is plagiarised, I look for the occasional twit who copies and pastes a Wiki article, leaving the links in AND in blue. Dead give away.

Really? I laughed so hard, I had to take a Benadryl to stop my nose from running. You don't know how much I wish you could post one for me to see.

The saddest thing is, that someone plagiarized Wikipedia. Cripes, if you are going to plagiarize something, plagiarize David Souter's graduate thesis, or even Richard Roeper's old undergraduate papers. Yup, Wikipedia, that's what I aspire to.

Similarly, if one were forging a diary (speaking hypothetically) and one were convinced that the GSG were authentic, would it not be prudent to reproduce the added vowel in an attempt to dovetail the diary with the GSG?

Likewise, if one thinks the “Dear Boss” missive genuine, might not one “borrow” some words/phrases there from? For example, how many times does the diarist use the phrase “funny little” in the diary?

Well, I don't know about you Phil, but that convinces me. The Diary must be genuine, and the work of none other than... JACK THE RIPPER!!!!

And, means the GSG must be authentic. Someone alert the press.


'Round and 'round and 'round we go....

[Graham]

@ Phil and Sally

If Walter Sickert wrote the diary, perhaps James Maybrick painted the weird paintings, and Montague John Druitt had the annoying watch engraved! Meanwhile Lewis Carroll wrote the graffito (probably an anagram), Aaron Kosminski kept busy churning out the letters, and Michael Ostrag mailed them! Then too, Francis Tumblety put a human kidney in a package, W.H. Bury altered or stole police reports, and George Chapman put hashish in the witness's tobacco, and LSD in their drinks. Doctor Neill Cream hypnotized Sir Charles Warren, Joseph Barnett distracted police at key intervals, David Cohen stood lookout duty, and Dr William Gull supplied the murder weapons! Of course Thomas Cutbush ran around randomly shouting "Lipsky!", James Kenneth Stephen planted clues such as the knife and apron scrap, while the "Mary Kelly" seen alive at 10:00am was really Prince Eddy in drag! Jack the Ripper, an unknown avenger, committed the actual murders. It was a conspiracy, dudes! Nobody wants us to know the truth, man!

Just a little humor

God Bless

Raven Darkendale

And Gilbert & Sullivan wrote the musical.

G

[RavenDarkendale]

@ Phil and Sally

If Walter Sickert wrote the diary, perhaps James Maybrick painted the weird paintings, and Montague John Druitt had the annoying watch engraved! Meanwhile Lewis Carroll wrote the graffito (probably an anagram), Aaron Kosminski kept busy churning out the letters, and Michael Ostrag mailed them! Then too, Francis Tumblety put a human kidney in a package, W.H. Bury altered or stole police reports, and George Chapman put hashish in the witness's tobacco, and LSD in their drinks. Doctor Neill Cream hypnotized Sir Charles Warren, Joseph Barnett distracted police at key intervals, David Cohen stood lookout duty, and Dr William Gull supplied the murder weapons! Of course Thomas Cutbush ran around randomly shouting "Lipsky!", James Kenneth Stephen planted clues such as the knife and apron scrap, while the "Mary Kelly" seen alive at 10:00am was really Prince Eddy in drag! Jack the Ripper, an unknown avenger, committed the actual murders. It was a conspiracy, dudes! Nobody wants us to know the truth, man!

Just a little humor

God Bless

Raven Darkendale

[Phil Carter]

Hang on - are we quite sure that Sickert didn't write the Diary? That could work.

Hello Sally,

Here's a good one..

WHICH Sickert?........


best wishes

Phil