picture of mary kelly's room

[Mike Covell]

Hi Phizzie,

Some people see what hey want to see.

When I look at the image I see either blood spatter or a fault in the image, nothing more, but for many diary folk, they see the FM as a sign that Maybrick did it.

Much the same was we see patterns in the clouds, stars and simulcra in nature.

[Phizzie]

I'm new to the site - not new to Jack the Ripper. A big interest for me for 10 years

If everyone says the diary is a fake and was writen inside the last 20 years or so then why is everyone looking at Kellys picture to see FM and saying it means Florence Maybrick? This sounds crazy. If diary is faked then J Maybrick was not Jack - no other suggestion/evidence that he was - why do people look to see his wife's initial on on the wall in the photo? FM - if you look hard yes maybe you can see it, but not plainly. Could be Felix Mendellsohn. Could be just bullshit.

The watch - rust? Did Turgoose the scientist who investigaed the watch say he saw rust? He saw flakes of metallic stuff, but rust is iron oxide and I dont remember his report speaking of rust.

Hey - what if the watch was found first and someone thought Wow this is good! J Maybrick written in it! What if this watch is really genuine? Turgoose says the scratches are old, doesnt he? J Maybrick was Jack the Ripper! We got his watch so lets write a diary now and make some real money out if it! Possibility?

Phizzie

[Celesta]

'ere we go, as one earwig said to the other

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Hmmmm, there seems to have been an earthquake in this room since the last time I saw it. There's a bleeping big crack through a bit of the furniture.

[George Hutchinson]

I was discussing this with SPE once and his theory makes perfect sense. Apparently, it was just a couple of microscopic flakes of rust found in the scratches that had to be picked up with, I understand, an electron microscope.

The cause? How about using an old hatpin to make the scratches? The flakes of rust are not from the watch - they're from whatever it was that was used to scratch the initials on the back of it.

PHILIP

[catvance]

okay, now for the watch. the reports listed say the scratches are 'tens of years old'. what's the theory on it? i've always thought that the blow up of the fm on the wall and the watch were the most important things in that diary book. more important than just words on old paper with old ink.

[Dan Norder]

The main aspects of the photo that look sort of like an FM are actually present in all known copies. Certain contrast levels just make the area more distinct. The one in the diary came from the photo Don Rumbelow found, which was black and white and had more increased darkness and contrast. That particular image also has a strange white fuzzy dot to the left of the alleged FM that separates it from other similar markings to the left that is visible on the other version of the image. That might be some sort of defect introduced during reproduction of that version of the print.

Here I take another version of the photo, increase its contrast, make it black and white, and compare it to the other version:

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Note that the much of the alleged FM is visible, but the Don Rumbelow photo also includes some areas that appear darker than help the FM illusion along, but the other (non-FM) parts of that photo also have more dark spots. These were dark in all known copies of this version of the photo and not just as included with the publication of the diary. Don's photo had been used by police for many years and also looks like a copy of a copy (of a copy of a copy, no doubt), so it's not surprising that it looks a little different.

[Jon Guy]

Well, that's proven to me that Freddie Mills was JTR.

PHILIP

Philip

You`ve seen the recent photofit

FM = Freddie Mercury

[George Hutchinson]

Aha - you're right, Stephen (as always). I can see the 'FM' there now. The reason I never noticed it is because it's much bigger than I thought. I had never compared the Diary image to the others. I'd just tried to find the 'FM' and I thought that both letters were somehow hidden in what I always saw as the 'M' because that's the size I thought both letters would be when combined, not just one.

Well, that's proven to me that Freddie Mills was JTR.

PHILIP

[Mike Covell]

The wife, her indoors, Florence Maybrick, he wasn't leaving a tag, al a Banksy but showing the wife what he is capable of!!

A slap around the face would have done!!

[kensei]

Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but if there was actually anything to this, what exactly is "FM" supposed to stand for? Maybrick's first initial was J.

[Mike Covell]

Everyone knows it was an advert for MFI....

[Suzi]

Great isn't it!!

[Stephen Thomas]

'ere we go, as one earwig said to the other

[Stephen Thomas]

Personally, I see the FM clearly in the Diary and can't see it with any degree of clarity in any other print of MJK1 & MJK2 (the names we give to that infamous image). I have therefore always doubted myself that the print in the Diary is untampered.

I don't see any tampering here, Philip. I can see the FM or fM quite clearly in the print that Rumbelow found. Well spotted by the forger(s) I'd say. What I like is the Frosty the Snowman face at the centre top of that picture.

[Suzi]

Hi catvance and welcome-

Here's the ubiquitous Diary pic with the alarmingly readable FM (especially if you narrow your eyes!)

But try and squint as I may I've never seen anything comparable in any other MJK1/2 anywhere either ...I agree with Philip......a clumsy tampering!

Now an idol of Baphomet??????.....OBVIOUS!

Suzi