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[David Orsam]

All his murders were on the planet Earth!!

Yes Jeff, but a certain member of this forum might not be.

[David Orsam]

his MO when murdering Eddowes was to kill <script id="gpt-impl-0.42742392034472065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>her

Apologies for the gobbledigook in amongst all the gobbledigook!

[John G]

Absolutely. Pierre makes perfect sense as always.

And using his T.A.I. method of "Tests, Analyse and Interpretation", I discover that the MO of JTR when murdering Nichols was to kill her in the street, his MO when murdering Chapman was to kill her at the back of a house, his MO when murdering Stride was to kill her in a yard, his MO when murdering Eddowes was to kill <script id="gpt-impl-0.42742392034472065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>her in a square, his MO when murdering Kelly was to kill her in a building and his MO when murdering McKenzie was to kill her in an alley. Not forgetting the various ways in which he killed the dismembered victims.

So it's clear. The MO of Jack the Ripper was that his MO was different for every murder!! What a cunning chap that Jack was.

Hello David,

I'm beginning to suspect that you might be receiving assistance from the FBI Behavioural Analysis Unit! I mean, your conclusions are suggestive of a true visionary!

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;367963]

What do you think indicates that the killer was disorganized?

Hi Pierre,

Actually, this is a very good question. Thus, it could be argued that JtR exhibited many disorganized characteristics: overkill, blitz attacks, no attempt to remove or otherwise conceal the body after the murder, the removal of body parts as trophies, victims killed in the open (except Kelly).

However, Canter carried out a study into serial murder, and the organized/disorganized classification. He concluded, "The results demonstrate that instead of being a basis for distinguishing between serial killings all such crimes will have a recognizable organised quality to them, as might be postulated from the very definition of a series of vicious crimes in which the offender was not detected until he carried out a number of the offences. Rather than being one subtype of serial killer, being organized is typical of serial killers as a whole." (Canter et al., 2004).

[Mayerling]

Absolutely. Pierre makes perfect sense as always.

And using his T.A.I. method of "Tests, Analyse and Interpretation", I discover that the MO of JTR when murdering Nichols was to kill her in the street, his MO when murdering Chapman was to kill her at the back of a house, his MO when murdering Stride was to kill her in a yard, his MO when murdering Eddowes was to kill <script id="gpt-impl-0.42742392034472065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>her in a square, his MO when murdering Kelly was to kill her in a building and his MO when murdering McKenzie was to kill her in an alley. Not forgetting the various ways in which he killed the dismembered victims.

So it's clear. The MO of Jack the Ripper was that his MO was different for every murder!! What a cunning chap that Jack was.

My God David, we almost forgot the diabolical unifying piece of his MO. All his murders were on the planet Earth!! I defy anyone to show they were on Saturn, Mars, or even "Transfalmador"!!!

Jeff

[Fisherman]

[QUOTE=Abby Normal;367957]

ahhh but you forget after the Stride murder the ripper was trying to be more "Caschous". LOL!

Bravissimo, Abby!

[Fisherman]

OK.

But if Lechmere had stated that he saw a policeman only with the purpose to slip away unsearched, why did he retract his statement at the inquest?

Assuming that people have motives for what they are doing (even when they are telling a lie) and that their motives are connected to rational choices - what would be the motive for retracting the statement, and especially since no one else seemed (if we can use the existing sources for the inquest for this hypothesis) to think about anyone else than of Neil when they heard of a "policeman" or a "constable"?

Why did not Lechmere just play along with Mizen?

Why did he change his statement?

What motives could he have had?

What could he have gained?

Regards Pierre

No offense, Pierre, but after this answer of mine, I will bow out of our discussion. I hope you can accept that.

1. ... if Lechmere had stated that he saw a policeman only with the purpose to slip away unsearched, why did he retract his statement at the inquest?

Answer: Because he was quite aware that Paul would deny any PC once he was found.

2. Assuming that people have motives for what they are doing (even when they are telling a lie) and that their motives are connected to rational choices - what would be the motive for retracting the statement, and especially since no one else seemed (if we can use the existing sources for the inquest for this hypothesis) to think about anyone else than of Neil when they heard of a "policeman" or a "constable"?

Answer: Lechmere´s motive to lie on the murder night was to pass by Mizen unsearched and undetained. Lechmere´s motive to deny the lie at the inquest was his knowledge that Paul would deny that there had been another PC in Bucks Row, thus revealing Lechmere for what he was: a liar.

The four other questions you ask are simply the same all over again, and I feel that I have answered it.

Over and out.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=John G;367961]

Coupled with the fact that the dismemberment victims were dumped, i.e. killed elsewhere, this suggests to me a relatively organized perpetrator(s), unlike JtR, who was relatively disorganized.

What do you think indicates that the killer was disorganized?

[David Orsam]

But Polly Nichols was killed in the street, Annie Chapman, Stride and Eddowes in courtyards or in a square, Mary Kelly in a room and Elizabeth Jackson and the other dismembered victims in the West End.

Absolutely. Pierre makes perfect sense as always.

And using his T.A.I. method of "Tests, Analyse and Interpretation", I discover that the MO of JTR when murdering Nichols was to kill her in the street, his MO when murdering Chapman was to kill her at the back of a house, his MO when murdering Stride was to kill her in a yard, his MO when murdering Eddowes was to kill <script id="gpt-impl-0.42742392034472065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>her in a square, his MO when murdering Kelly was to kill her in a building and his MO when murdering McKenzie was to kill her in an alley. Not forgetting the various ways in which he killed the dismembered victims.

So it's clear. The MO of Jack the Ripper was that his MO was different for every murder!! What a cunning chap that Jack was.

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;367960]

"...they were all equally risky."

Maybe they were. They were at least high risk locations, all of them.

But Polly Nichols was killed in the street, Annie Chapman, Stride and Eddowes in courtyards or in a square, Mary Kelly in a room and Elizabeth Jackson and the other dismembered victims in the West End.

Regards, Pierre

Which suggests no change of MO, i.e. because there was no fundamental reason why victims were killed in different types of location. Regarding the dismemberment victims, there is no proof they were murdered and, arguably, little evidence they were killed by the same person let alone by JtR: as I've noted before, several of the victims were dismembered in different ways, which indicates different killers to my mind, i.e. if a perpetrator has developed a successful strategy for dismembering the victims, why alter that strategy?

Moreover, they were all decapitated-none of the C5 victims were-and in all but one case, the perpetrator successfully prevented the victims from being identified. Coupled with the fact that the dismemberment victims were dumped, i.e. killed elsewhere, this suggests to me a relatively organized perpetrator(s), unlike JtR, who was relatively disorganized.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=John G;367955]

Not sure what is meant by "popular view".

The popular view means sorting the murder in "outdoors" and "indoors" and believing that he got interrupted with Stride.

Anyway, it doesn't negate the fact that, apart from possibly Kelly, there is no indication of a change in MO characteristics in respect of the murder sites, i.e. because they were all equally risky.

"...they were all equally risky."

Maybe they were. They were at least high risk locations, all of them.

But Polly Nichols was killed in the street, Annie Chapman, Stride and Eddowes in courtyards or in a square, Mary Kelly in a room and Elizabeth Jackson and the other dismembered victims in the West End.

Regards, Pierre

[John G]

[QUOTE=Abby Normal;367957]

ahhh but you forget after the Stride murder the ripper was trying to be more "Caschous". LOL!

Of course, Abby. Surprised Pierre didn't point out this glaring error himself!

[Abby Normal]

[QUOTE=John G;367955]

Not sure what is meant by "popular view". Anyway, it doesn't negate the fact that, apart from possibly Kelly, there is no indication of a change in MO characteristics in respect of the murder sites, i.e. because they were all equally risky.

ahhh but you forget after the Stride murder the ripper was trying to be more "Caschous". LOL!

[John G]

[QUOTE=Pierre;367953]

Hello Pierre,

I realize a serial killer's MO characteristics can change but, in respect of murder site locations, I see no sign of this- apart from possibly Kelly, but in that instance he was probably just fortunate that she had access to her own room.

In fact, it's interesting that you site Keppel, because that is clearly his view as well:
QUOTE]

Keppel is using the popular view on JtR.

Regards, Pierre

Not sure what is meant by "popular view". Anyway, it doesn't negate the fact that, apart from possibly Kelly, there is no indication of a change in MO characteristics in respect of the murder sites, i.e. because they were all equally risky.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=John G;367941]Hello Pierre,

I realize a serial killer's MO characteristics can change but, in respect of murder site locations, I see no sign of this- apart from possibly Kelly, but in that instance he was probably just fortunate that she had access to her own room.

In fact, it's interesting that you site Keppel, because that is clearly his view as well:
QUOTE]

Keppel is using the popular view on JtR.

Regards, Pierre