All roads lead to Lechmere.

[Elamarna]

Banging your head against a brick wall for years more like Steve. Like the rest of the sensible posters.

Yes, well I gave up trying to convince people that what for some amounts to a belief system may not be as they would want it to be.

Took a break from the site, while writing the book, but am back around, wiser, older with no desire to argue with those who cannot even consider they may be wrong.

Steve

[John Wheat]

You don't need to convince me Fiver, I have been arguing this for years.

Banging your head against a brick wall for years more like Steve. Like the rest of the sensible posters.

[Elamarna]

Paul did more than just stood by Lechmere, they walked together for about 15 minutes. There's also Lechmere's bosses and coworkers, who would have seen him arrive. And then every pick up and delivery over a shift that could be 14 to 18 hours. After all, he worked for a general delivery service, not a slaughterhouse, there would be no reasonable explanation for blood on his hands or clothing.

You don't need to convince me Fiver, I have been arguing this for years.

[Fiver]

He certainly was not checked for a knife Abby, that is correct.
However, both Mizen and Paul stood next to him and apparently noticed no blood.
So I suggest it's a reasonable assumption that he had no blood on his clothing or hands.

Steve

Paul did more than just stood by Lechmere, they walked together for about 15 minutes. There's also Lechmere's bosses and coworkers, who would have seen him arrive. And then every pick up and delivery over a shift that could be 14 to 18 hours. After all, he worked for a general delivery service, not a slaughterhouse, there would be no reasonable explanation for blood on his hands or clothing.

[Elamarna]

oh really? i didnt know he was checked for blood or knife. could you please provide the source for this?

He certainly was not checked for a knife Abby, that is correct.
However, both Mizen and Paul stood next to him and apparently noticed no blood.
So I suggest it's a reasonable assumption that he had no blood on his clothing or hands.

Steve

[Abby Normal]

It wouldn't have taken long to clear him: he had no blood on him and no knife, either.

oh really? i didnt know he was checked for blood or knife. could you please provide the source for this?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

It was not neccessary for the police to clear Cross,he was never,at the time ,accused or believed to have been the murderer.Aberline was present at the inquest,he heard the evidence of Cross.If he Aberline,was satisfied with that evidence,and it appears he was,then no further action needed to be taken.

I agree.

I think the whole idea of someone murdering women on his way to work is more Monty Python than criminal detection work!

One of the great things about Lechmere as a suspect is how he is always in the wrong place or travelling in the wrong direction to have been the murderer.

He and Nichols were obviously walking in opposite directions.

She didn't just bump into someone on his way to work in a deserted, dark street, and get murdered by him.

Take a look at the other four murders.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

agree. nice concise post Harry. and i agree that the Lechmerians over egg the pudding but i also dont understand the knee jerk, sometimes hysterical opposition to him, many times from people who also have a favored suspect. ive never got that. and some of the these anti lechers really do have ridiculous suspects and theories. but they attack a perfectly valid suspect. Lech was seen alone with a freshly murdered victim. hes in the frame for being pollys killer and victims were found near his work route. He would be a de facto person of interest until cleared in todays world.

It wouldn't have taken long to clear him: he had no blood on him and no knife, either.

[harry]

It was not neccessary for the police to clear Cross,he was never,at the time ,accused or believed to have been the murderer.Aberline was present at the inquest,he heard the evidence of Cross.If he Aberline,was satisfied with that evidence,and it appears he was,then no further action needed to be taken.

[Dickere]

but as far as we know they didnt.

We don't know whether or not they cleared Cross really.

[Abby Normal]

We don't know that the Police didn't clear Lechmere at the time.

but as far as we know they didnt.

[John Wheat]

agree. nice concise post Harry. and i agree that the Lechmerians over egg the pudding but i also dont understand the knee jerk, sometimes hysterical opposition to him, many times from people who also have a favored suspect. ive never got that. and some of the these anti lechers really do have ridiculous suspects and theories. but they attack a perfectly valid suspect. Lech was seen alone with a freshly murdered victim. hes in the frame for being pollys killer and victims were found near his work route. He would be a de facto person of interest until cleared in todays world.

We don't know that the Police didn't clear Lechmere at the time.

[Abby Normal]

I don't think there's any harm in revisiting and reinterpreting elements of the case as long as it's done in good faith. Lechmere was discovered at the scene of the crime. That's never enough to hang the man but it shouldn't stymy further investigation. Including the discrepancies with PC Mizen and his given name, these are potential markers of duplicity, but they also need to measured with the fact he attended the inquest and provided his home address and place of business. I guess my problem with Lechmere as a suspect is a general one concerning suspectology, the intellectual enforcement of confirmation bias.

agree. nice concise post Harry. and i agree that the Lechmerians over egg the pudding but i also dont understand the knee jerk, sometimes hysterical opposition to him, many times from people who also have a favored suspect. ive never got that. and some of the these anti lechers really do have ridiculous suspects and theories. but they attack a perfectly valid suspect. Lech was seen alone with a freshly murdered victim. hes in the frame for being pollys killer and victims were found near his work route. He would be a de facto person of interest until cleared in todays world.

[Harry D]

I don't think there's any harm in revisiting and reinterpreting elements of the case as long as it's done in good faith. Lechmere was discovered at the scene of the crime. That's never enough to hang the man but it shouldn't stymy further investigation. Including the discrepancies with PC Mizen and his given name, these are potential markers of duplicity, but they also need to measured with the fact he attended the inquest and provided his home address and place of business. I guess my problem with Lechmere as a suspect is a general one concerning suspectology, the intellectual enforcement of confirmation bias.

[Fiver]

Our pal Fiver is always reminding us that on the single occasion we know of Lechmere started work at 4.00pm and he concludes from that that he had what he calls ‘an alibi’ for the Chapman murder.

I'm not the only one assuming Lechmere had a fixed work schedule.

There's also a chap calling himself Mr Barnett. You may have heard of him.

Hi Abby,

If he was a Pickford’s carman, he probably worked fixed hours six days a week - perhaps 12+ hours a day.