Documentary: Jack The Ripper: Has Christer Holmgren discovered the killer's identity?

[kjab3112]

She still had a heartbeat

The coroner reports clearly state that when Paul met Cross/Lechmere, Paul thought Polly was still breathing (barely) and could feel a faint heartbeat. If Cross/Lechmere was not the killer, he likely disturbed the guilty party and even though he claimed to have heard nothing, I'm sure the 1880s police must have looked into him as a witness at the very least

[Columbo]

Lechmere found a body so what someone had to. He's a witness nothing more nothing less. The police at the time didn't suspect him of anything.

Of course, but what I'm asking is would you question him about it a little more because he was found in a dark alley with a dead body, or would you say "meh, he just found it, let him go"? The police may very well have checked him out, we just don't know. This is all hypothesis and means nothing. We're just exchanging ideas.

Columbo

[John Wheat]

Hey John,

So you don't think the person who was seen by the body should be investigated? Forget the names, the PC being mis-lead etc., does this simple discovery of Lechmere by the body not warrant some questions about him?

Columbo

Lechmere found a body so what someone had to. He's a witness nothing more nothing less. The police at the time didn't suspect him of anything.

[Columbo]

In 2013, Stewart Evans presented a carefully written and well documented response to the theory that Lechmere was the Ripper. It refutes, I believe, many of the points relied upon by those suggesting the carman was the killer.

Here is a link to the Evans response and the discussion that followed it, posted in Casebook on September 13, 2013.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...light=Lechmere



Dr. John Watson

Thanks Dr. Watson, that was very interesting.

Columbo

[GUT]

Here we go again!

Columbo

My thoughts exactly.

[Dr. John Watson]

Stewart Evans Critique of Lechmere as Ripper, posted 2013

In 2013, Stewart Evans presented a carefully written and well documented response to the theory that Lechmere was the Ripper. It refutes, I believe, many of the points relied upon by those suggesting the carman was the killer.

Here is a link to the Evans response and the discussion that followed it, posted in Casebook on September 13, 2013.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...light=Lechmere



Dr. John Watson

[Fisherman]

Hey Fisherman,

Wouldn't weather conditions also apply to the coagulation of the blood?

Columbo

Not in any really high degree, no. Coagulation is something that starts the second the blood exits a wound, and comes in contact with collagenes in the wound walls. After that, it will take a few minutes before it show and the kind of temperatures that prevailed at the Nichols murder scene, would not change that.
However, we should keep in mind that as long as there is blood running from a wound down into a pool, there will be a stirring effect, and stirring prevents coagulation to a degree. In this case, it would not be much of a stirring, but nevertheless.
The coagulation had begun to show, though, and that should mean that we have passed the first three, four minutes.
The more interesting thing is the bleeding, that should have been over fairly quickly. It is normally a matter of minutes only before a victim with this kind of damage have bled out.

[Columbo]

Yes it's all extremely weak. Lechmere found a body so what? Lechmere gave a name that could easily be traced to him. No big deal either. Find something concrete and I'll give a ****.

Hey John,

So you don't think the person who was seen by the body should be investigated? Forget the names, the PC being mis-lead etc., does this simple discovery of Lechmere by the body not warrant some questions about him?

Columbo

[Robert St Devil]

Her blood alcohol content could have decreased coagulation times. She was pist drunk.

[Columbo]

You are prefectly correct in saying that blood can clot over different times. The same goes for bleeding times, they too can vary.
There must therefore always be an element of uncertainty.
However, what I am saying is that if the bleeding and coagulation followed a normal path, then Lechmere is a bullsī eye suggestion for the killers role. Jason Payne-James agrees with this, he says that three to five minutes bleeding is more credible than seven and that the coagulation pattern is in correlation with Lechmere if it followed the normal schedule.
Conclusion: If it was not Lechmere, then we are loooking at Polly Nichols differering from the normal in these respects - and she could well have done that. But any sound reasoning must take in the fact that Lechmere fits the normal pattern, and if the normal pattern applied, there is no very realistic chance of another killer.

Hey Fisherman,

Wouldn't weather conditions also apply to the coagulation of the blood?

Columbo

[Fisherman]

This is my first post, and may i start by saying I find Cross an interesting suspect. A lot of store is placed on the time that it took for the blood to clot, I contain a link to the old "bleeding time" measure where although the normal time for blood to clot from a standard incision is 1-9 minutes it can in fact be much longer e.g. as a result of liver failure or alcohol intoxication. A cut vein, unlike an artery does not spasm so will continue to bleed until a clot forms or there is insufficient pressure to overcome gravity.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...22-overview#a2

Paul

You are prefectly correct in saying that blood can clot over different times. The same goes for bleeding times, they too can vary.
There must therefore always be an element of uncertainty.
However, what I am saying is that if the bleeding and coagulation followed a normal path, then Lechmere is a bullsī eye suggestion for the killers role. Jason Payne-James agrees with this, he says that three to five minutes bleeding is more credible than seven and that the coagulation pattern is in correlation with Lechmere if it followed the normal schedule.
Conclusion: If it was not Lechmere, then we are loooking at Polly Nichols differering from the normal in these respects - and she could well have done that. But any sound reasoning must take in the fact that Lechmere fits the normal pattern, and if the normal pattern applied, there is no very realistic chance of another killer.

[Columbo]

Here we go again!

Columbo

[kjab3112]

Thanks Steve

[Elamarna]

This is my first post, and may i start by saying I find Cross an interesting suspect. A lot of store is placed on the time that it took for the blood to clot, I contain a link to the old "bleeding time" measure where although the normal time for blood to clot from a standard incision is 1-9 minutes it can in fact be much longer e.g. as a result of liver failure or alcohol intoxication. A cut vein, unlike an artery does not spasm so will continue to bleed until a clot forms or there is insufficient pressure to overcome gravity.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...22-overview#a2

Paul

Hi there Paul

nice first post, welcome to the world that is casebook.


regards


Steve

[kjab3112]

What is the bleeding time?

This is my first post, and may i start by saying I find Cross an interesting suspect. A lot of store is placed on the time that it took for the blood to clot, I contain a link to the old "bleeding time" measure where although the normal time for blood to clot from a standard incision is 1-9 minutes it can in fact be much longer e.g. as a result of liver failure or alcohol intoxication. A cut vein, unlike an artery does not spasm so will continue to bleed until a clot forms or there is insufficient pressure to overcome gravity.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...22-overview#a2

Paul