Is Kosminski the man really viable?

[Phil Carter]

You must surely realise how nonsensical that argument is. They didn't specify his forename, therefore his forename could not have been Aaron?

Hello Chris,

NO... the argument is that AARON Kosminski was NOT suspected or charged with any murder or any crime connected to the murders. Period.

Whether the first name was Fred or George or Henry.. doesn't matter.. a person CANNOT be suspected of something in the legal term without evidence against them PERTAINING to the particular crime. And there is NO evidence pertaining to AARON KOSMINSKI. Period.

That is what this is about.

Aaron Kosminski.
Not any old Kosminski.
Not Kosminski that MAY be Aaron...

SPECIFICALLY Aaron Kosminski. There is nothing to connect Aaron Kosminski to the crimes. Period. There is no EVIDENCE against AARON Kosminski. Period.
Legally and morally, it is plain wrong to label such a person a murderer. Then AND now.

best wishes

Phil

[Chris]

NOBODY called Aaron Kosminski was ever in the frame as the Whitechapel murderer because Aaron Kosminski is NEVER named by any policeman, ever..

You must surely realise how nonsensical that argument is. They didn't specify his forename, therefore his forename could not have been Aaron?

[Phil Carter]

Phil Carter,
Yes Phil,like you I would like to see EVIDENCE against Kosminski.I would also like information on his being the prime suspect.We have,at the most,three claims that he was a suspect,but nothing to justify those claims.Nothing from other senior officers at the time.There were scores of persons arrested,but not one tried for the ripper murders.Kosminski was,unless someone can prove otherwise,never arrested even.Why not?We are led to believe it wasn't for lack of suspicion.He was taken to the seaside home with difficulty.Why should that be?Unless under arrest he could not be compelled to go,so it infers he went voluntarily.Even so his rights dictated that he should have been told why he was going.That he went a ppears to me an indication that he felt no fear of being implicated in anything.What rights.His rights under the law of the time.

Hello Harry,

Thank you for your reply.

I will try and state this as clean and as clearly as I can.

NOBODY called Aaron Kosminski was ever in the frame as the Whitechapel murderer because Aaron Kosminski is NEVER named by any policeman, ever..

Kosminski, YES..Aaron Kosminski, no. Legally, that matters a hell of a lot.

And it does not matter one iota how "near" "Aaron" was to the Kosminski written of, nor if modern day scholars breathe fire and fumes and say it MUST have been Aaron Kosminski as no other Kosminski has yet to be found..etc..

NO AARON Kosminski was ever arrested, questioned nor charged with the murders. There is no evidence that Aaron Kosminski was anywhere near any police station or any other establishment connected to a police action in connection with the crimes allotted to him by latter day scholars..
Legal jurisprudance then, and now, claims that for any person to be suspected of a crime, there MUST be evidence. He was not even called in for questioning. And saying "we don't know that" is plainly stupid. Neither were my Gt Grandmothers..and they lived slap bang in the middle of it, as did my Gran. So did a million others. We don't know if X or Y was either.

There is NO evidence against Aaron Kosminski.

Unless a document turns up out of the blue all of a sudden (yes, it may well happen...if my odd feeling is correct....) with the name Aaron Kosminski plastered all over it... legally AND morally, it is simply wrong to blame the man for something he hasn't in the eyes of the law, or even morally, been involved with without evidence of such involvement.

That is where we stand.

And until that time, all the huffing and puffing won't change it.

We can only go on what we have. And regarding Aaron Kosminski being the Whitechapel murderer.. we have absolutely NOTHING.

To accuse this dead man of these crimes without any evidence is simply wrong. Just like Walter Sickert. Just like Prince Eddy. Just like Van Gogh. Just like...ad infinitum.

EVIDENCE against Aaron Kosminski?..Show it...... or leave the name of the poor soul alone, I say.


best wishes

Phil

[Robert]

It's a pity that the Jewish Convalescent Home for Consumptives in Brighton seems to have opened too late. Those words "left on his mind" have always suggested to me a man who sees his end approaching, through age or illness. If he was a patient in Brighton it would explain the awkward travel problem. Oh well.

[Fisherman]

I also agree wholeheartedly with Chris´ lines in post 837. They neatly capture all we can say: The man spoken of by Anderson/Swanson WAS a suspect, no matter how good or bad the grounds for that were. That´s beyond dispute.

The best,
Fisherman

[robhouse]

harry, Chris has expressed my response, better than I could have done.

Phil H

And mine as well, as he often does.

RH

[Phil H]

harry, Chris has expressed my response, better than I could have done.

Phil H

[Chris]

harry

I'm sorry, but when the man who was head of the CID says that someone was actually the murderer, and when the man who was in charge of the investigation describes an attempt by the police to have him identified by a witness, it really is perverse to suggest there's no evidence he was a suspect. If Anderson and Swanson suspected him, he was a suspect!

Of course, as we've discussed, that's a completely different question from that of his guilt.

[harry]

One day I may get evidence.Fair enough Phil,but untill that day I will accept that by your words,you too think there does not ,at present,exist such evidence?

[Phil H]

Well said, Damaso.

...I would like to see EVIDENCE against Kosminski.I would also like information on his being the prime suspect.

Well, harry, one is known by one's friends!! One day you may get evidence (it clearly existed in strong enough form to convince Sir RA and Swanson. Until then we have to do the best we can with what we have.

KOSMINSKI (no first name) is a prime suspect because two senior officials made him so. It is a documented fact. You may question it, but that is the historical truth - a man is named: we need to find out more.

We have,at the most,three claims that he was a suspect,but nothing to justify those claims.

Not much difference from many aspects of the Ripper case. The suspects file is missing, but would have existed. We knew nothing of tumblety until he was mentioned in a letter from Littlechild - we cannot dismiss him; we cannot dimis "Kosminski".

Nothing from other senior officers at the time.

But those senior officers were the ones most closely connected to the case at senior level. Define senior and why SHOULD others have known?

There were scores of persons arrested,but not one tried for the ripper murders.

So? They were not named by Swanson and Anderson.

Kosminski was,unless someone can prove otherwise,never arrested even.Why not?We are led to believe it wasn't for lack of suspicion.He was taken to the seaside home with difficulty.Why should that be?Unless under arrest he could not be compelled to go,so it infers he went voluntarily.Even so his rights dictated that he should have been told why he was going.That he went a ppears to me an indication that he felt no fear of being implicated in anything.What rights.His rights under the law of the time.

But we have authenticated information, from the one-time co-ordinating officer, that he and his chief regarded Kosminski as the Ripper. We knew NONE of that before the emergence of the marginalia and we should have every reason to take information from this source as a reasonable account of what happened. Swanson summarised the position because he knew the rest and was simply commenting on Anderson's memoirs. he ddi not need to say more. But he provides sufficient detail to convince me that - whatever our present difficulties in interpreting his words - Swanson knew what he was talking about.

Phil H

[Damaso Marte]

The police had nothing on Aaron Kosminski connecting him to the Whitechapel murders. And until someone can produce some sort of official document of such like.. it will stay that way.

To be fair, this is the case for pretty much every suspect. If the police had something connecting anyone at all to these murders, this website and internet forum may have never been born.

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[Wickerman]

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[harry]

Phil Carter,
Yes Phil,like you I would like to see EVIDENCE against Kosminski.I would also like information on his being the prime suspect.We have,at the most,three claims that he was a suspect,but nothing to justify those claims.Nothing from other senior officers at the time.There were scores of persons arrested,but not one tried for the ripper murders.Kosminski was,unless someone can prove otherwise,never arrested even.Why not?We are led to believe it wasn't for lack of suspicion.He was taken to the seaside home with difficulty.Why should that be?Unless under arrest he could not be compelled to go,so it infers he went voluntarily.Even so his rights dictated that he should have been told why he was going.That he went a ppears to me an indication that he felt no fear of being implicated in anything.What rights.His rights under the law of the time.

[Errata]

If I was going to be a serial killer, I would be The Crazy Whisperer. And I would sit and talk with insane men and convince them to kill people for me. It's like hiring hit men, except without paying them.