A Case of Misattribution?

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

It's hardly unreasonable to speculate that a man seen to assault a woman fifteen minutes before her body is found may have been her killer. There's no more supposition in that than in the suggestion that the assault was violent rejection by an offended passer-by.

Regards, Bridewell.

So why not kill her in the course of carrying out the assault ?

What would have made a woman who had been violently assaulted by a man then choose to go into a dark area with him? Coupled with the fact that the assault took place in a busy street and the man knowing that he may have been seen and may have been known. Would he then go onto kill that woman ?

[Jon Guy]

So why not kill her in the course of carrying out the assault ?

Perhaps he did, and it was so quick that Schwartz did not realise he had witnessed her murder.

[Bridewell]

Pipeman?

So why not kill her in the course of carrying out the assault ?

What would have made a woman who had been violently assaulted by a man then choose to go into a dark area with him?

If the assault was a prelude to murder, I doubt if choice entered into the equation.

Coupled with the fact that the assault took place in a busy street and the man knowing that he may have been seen and may have been known. Would he then go onto kill that woman ?

Possibly, if he was known to her, but it's a fair point. Nevertheless, someone killed Stride within, at most, 10 -15 minutes of this assault. I guess Pipeman could have played the part of a man coming to her rescue. She might have trusted such an individual.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Trevor Marriott]

Perhaps he did, and it was so quick that Schwartz did not realise he had witnessed her murder.

So knowing her throat had been cut she goes into the yard sits down and dies

[Trevor Marriott]

If the assault was a prelude to murder, I doubt if choice entered into the equation.

Possibly, if he was known to her, but it's a fair point. Nevertheless, someone killed Stride within, at most, 10 -15 minutes of this assault. I guess Pipeman could have played the part of a man coming to her rescue. She might have trusted such an individual.

Regards, Bridewell.

Can we stick to facts not make things up as we go along

So many original facts and theories do not stand up to close scrutiny

[lynn cates]

once more, before I die

Hello Trevor. Are you suggesting her last request was one of the cashous?

Cheers.
LC

[Garry Wroe]

The three 'quiet' screams as described by Schwartz suggest to my mind that Stride knew her attacker and didn't consider herself to be in any real physical danger.

[Jon Guy]

So knowing her throat had been cut she goes into the yard sits down and dies

Goes into the yard, Trevor?
Looks to me like she was simply pushed or pulled one or two yards into the passageway (which is what Schwartz describes). Her feet were almost touching the gates, and her scarf showed that it had been pulled tight.

[Garry Wroe]

Perhaps he did, and it was so quick that Schwartz did not realise he had witnessed her murder.

That's an interesting hypothesis, Jon. But then the attack occurred in the street. The bloodflow from Stride's neck wound suggests that the injury was inflicted on the spot where the body was discovered.

[Garry Wroe]

Looks to me like she was simply pushed or pulled one or two yards into the passageway (which is what Schwartz describes).

Schwartz was walking some distance behind Broad Shoulders, Jon. He couldn't have described Stride being pushed to the ground if it occurred in the yard because this area wasn't visible to him. Therefore it must have taken place on the pavement itself.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Trevor. Are you suggesting her last request was one of the cashous?

Cheers.
LC

No Lynn she was probably trying to plug the hole in her throat with them to stop the bleeding

[Jon Guy]

Hi Gary

In Schwartz`s statement he said " the man tried to pull the woman into the street, but he turned her around and threw her on the footway."

Could be the whole incident took place just inside the gates.

[Garry Wroe]

Possibly, Jon. I'm not entirely convinced, but your thinking accords better with the evidence than most.

[Jon Guy]

Schwartz was walking some distance behind Broad Shoulders, Jon. He couldn't have described Stride being pushed to the ground if it occurred in the yard because this area wasn't visible to him. Therefore it must have taken place on the pavement itself.

But he would still have seen BS pulling her about from walking behind him, and as he crossed over the road he could have seen the incident just inside the gates.

BS man swings Stride about, drags her back two or three yards into the passageway, she screams but not very loudly as she is being pulled by her scarf or she is been forced down and her throat cut. BS notices Schwartz and verbally abuses him, Schwartz runs off.

[Jon Guy]

Possibly, Jon. I'm not entirely convinced, but your thinking accords better with the evidence than most.

Thanks, Gary. That`s exactly how I see that scenario. I`m not entirely convinced but it accords better with the evidence than most.