Koz - No First Name in Marginalia

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Bridewell. I think the point is that even though a charge of forgery could not legally be supported by evidence, the mere suggestion of the possibility of forgery - in the eyes of some - will devalue the marginalia as evidence. That might be what Trevor is getting at.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Supe]

but taking everything into account the balance of probablity sways in the opposite direction which ever way you look at it.

Can anyone explain, far less parse, what this means? It seems utter nonsense.

Don.

[Bridewell]

Nope

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as far as i am concerned when i have an expert saying that the writing is not Swansons then doubts must be cast. Thgisd has been gone through and argued many time in the past.

If you want to accept its genuine in its entirety then so be it, but the balance of probablity sways in the opposite direction.

It's not about what I accept or don't accept though, is it? Nor is it about the balance of probability swaying. It's not about opinion either. It's about whether or not a charge of forgery can be supported by evidence.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

Let's all give him a hand.

Hello Trevor. Thanks for that.

See, I thought his recreational pursuits were ambidextrous. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

Doubt is one thing. An accusation of forgery is another. This is the post:



That's not an expression of doubt (which is what you have defended), it's an accusation of forgery. Where is the evidence that the marginalia are forged?

Regards, Bridewell.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as far as i am concerned when i have an expert saying that the writing is not Swansons then doubts must be cast. This has been gone through and argued many times in the past.

If you want to accept its genuine in its entirety then so be it, but taking everything into account the balance of probablity sways in the opposite direction which ever way you look at it. So if swanson didnt write it then someone else must have would that would then make it a forgery or part forgery would it not ?

[Bridewell]

Forgery

Its quite simple the marginalia has not been proved to have been conclusivly written by Swanson.

Hi Trevor,

Doubt is one thing. An accusation of forgery is another. This is the post:

I prefer to think that whoever forged the bit about Kosminski in the Marginalia was simply depending on the Memorandum by Macnaghton which only surfaced in the 1960s and didn't give Kosminski a first name.

totally agree

That's not an expression of doubt (which is what you have defended), it's an accusation of forgery. Where is the evidence that the marginalia are forged?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Trevor. Did Kosminski HAVE a Christian name? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

No i think his surname filtered through the police system and finished up on Macnagthens desk the report read as follows ;

"mad polish jew who threated his sister with a knife, could have been the ripper if he could have found enough food in the gutter to build his strength up to wield a knife, and he was able to kill on a day when he hadnt mastusrbated in the street which also left him weak"

He was later totall elimainetd when it was establsihed that the killer was right handed and Kosminski masturbated with his left hand !

[lynn cates]

religious preference

Hello Trevor. Did Kosminski HAVE a Christian name? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

the heat

Hello Stephen. Now, see what you've done!

Cheers.
LC

[Trevor Marriott]

And so is that. Anyone care to bring any evidence to the table?

Regards, Bridewell.

Its quite simple the marginalia has not been proved to have been conclusivly written by Swanson.

The marginlia has been in the past few years examined by document examiners who according to those in direct contact with the marginalia state that it is somewhere around 80% certain that swanson wrote it.

However these persons will not make public any of these reports.

Furthermore I have sent a copy of the marginalia to my own expert who is of the opinion that the writing is not that of Swansons. Bearing in mind the explanation given by the original examiners was that the samples of Swanons handwriting used for comparison purposes were dated 1888. and that due to the passage of time his handwritng may have detoriated.

My sample of swansons handwriting were much later 1894.

Nevil Swanson refuses to allow it to be examined by my expert or to allow tests to be carried out on the pencil annotations to try to establish the age of the graphite.

You only have to look at it in comparison with Andersons book and the ID parade
Right through from 1888 to 1910 Anderson is on record as saying they didnt have a clue, then he publishes a book with a brief mention of the ripper case. In that book no mention of the name of the suspect, no mention of the witness, such important things to exclude.

Then you have dear old Donald still chasing the ripper in 1891 and telling the press that the ripper was now dead. In 1895 they thought Grainger was the ripper.

Then the marginalia appear in later years with the name Kosminski included stil no full name of Kosminski and again no mention of the witnesses name.

I cannot say who did write part or all of the marginalia but as this time there is a doubt about it being written in totality by Donald Swanson.

You pays your money and you takes choice !

You need to read up on when and how the marginalia came to surface and what happened to it and who paid what money to have it published and who has been directly involved in it and perhaps who might have gained by writing it or doctoring it for that matter, if anyone ?

[Bridewell]

totally agree

And so is that. Anyone care to bring any evidence to the table?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

The Marginalia

Hi CC and welcome

I prefer to think that whoever forged the bit about Kosminski in the Marginalia was simply depending on the Memorandum by Macnaghton which only surfaced in the 1960s and didn't give Kosminski a first name.

That's a serious accusation.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi CC and welcome

I prefer to think that whoever forged the bit about Kosminski in the Marginalia was simply depending on the Memorandum by Macnaghton which only surfaced in the 1960s and didn't give Kosminski a first name.

totally agree

[Cogidubnus]

Cue the Sorcerers Apprentice and the Demon King...oh dear

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi!

If Kosminski was Aaron Mordke Kozminski:

His brothers, a sister (and a providing friend?) were:

Isaac Abrahams (birth name Iciek Kozminski)
Woolf Abrahams (birth name Wolek Kozminski)
Matilda Lubnowski (later Lubnowski- Cohen/ Cohen, birth name Malke Kozminski)
Jacob Cohen

and probably a man called Jacobs (the incident with the dog in December 1889). If Jacobs had not been an alter ego of Aaron Kosminski (see also serialkiller William Heirens and his Alter Ego George Murman).

(Aaron) Abrahams? (Aaron) Cohen? (Aaron) Lubnowski? (Aaron) Jacobs?

Aaron Kozminski in December 1889:

“I goes by the name of Abrahams sometimes because Kosmunski is hard to spell..."

Imagine, December 1888:

Aaron Kozminski

“I goes by the name of Abrahams/Lubnowski/Cohen/Jacobs sometimes because Kosminski is hard to spell"

What would you do now? I would mention t h i s suspect with his birth name "Kosminski". Because I would be doubtful if I could not understand this kind of backgrounds.

Imagine:

Anderson: What is his real name? Abrahams, Cohen, Jacobs, Kos…what? I don´t get it…
Swanson: Kosminski! Sometimes "Abrahams" or "Cohen". Jacobs is his Alter Ego

I guess, the suspect´s name could not be cleared at all. Neither in Polish nor on English. Merely different designations and with certainty the birth name "Kosminski".

Or could it be the case that Macnagthen didnt know the christian name so whoever wrote the Marginalia couldnt possibly have known it either.

Just think a prime suspect identified as being JTR and no one knows who he was amazing ! add to that no one know the name of the prime witness who idetified hi, doubly amazing..

Its also amazing that some posters stlill believe in all of this old pony!