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  • protohistorian
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    Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
    As far as we know nothing. Linkage blindness has likely prevented us from seeing something. Given his pathology, nothing would keep him from disposing of anyone that he deemed "unworthy" of life. Adam has little to say on that span of time. I am efforting extracting witness testimonies over that period. The point being there MAY be a pause, we have little information on Severin's activities. Considering the known events of his life, the chronic lack of success and stability mean that there is a high probability, that he encountered stress induced triggers. What outlet he might have had is as yet unknown. Respectfully Dave
    Additionally, IF Severin committed one or more of the c5, the likelyhood of repeat behaviors in differing modes would be highly likely. His pathology is such that he is prone to experiencial addiction. Once he kills, he is prone to recieving a rush of sorts, this will diminish with each repeat of the behavior. Not viewing victims as human beings means that he would likely not feel guilt. If It were to dawn on him the barbarity of his actions, facial mutilation would be an expected result, an attempt within his mind to remove the features that mark the victim as human. This behavior should not be confused with guilt, Severin at least later in life, was beyond feelings of guilt. The behavior is instead a self serving mechanism, a way of removing any doubt from his own mind that the behavior was wrong. The facial mutilations would not be centered on the victim per se, but would be serving a function within the mind of Severin. He would not care for the plight of victims, only for poor little Severin. Respectfully Dave
    Last edited by protohistorian; 02-14-2009, 11:57 PM.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    But, Dave - there were no mysterious deaths during that period that can be seriously attributed to Klosowski, and certainly no Ripper-like murders. Klosowski's relationships are accounted for during nearly all that time, and each of his "wives" during that period outlived him. Klosowski bought some tartar-emetic from Davidson in Hastings, and only after that time do we find Klosowski's known crimes starting. The most reasonable conclusion is that Klosowski's murderous career only began in 1897, and was only made possible after that bottle of poison was bought.

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  • protohistorian
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    What stopped him from killing between 1888 and 1897, Dave?
    As far as we know nothing. Linkage blindness has likely prevented us from seeing something. Given his pathology, nothing would keep him from disposing of anyone that he deemed "unworthy" of life. Adam has little to say on that span of time. I am efforting extracting witness testimonies over that period. The point being there MAY be a pause, we have little information on Severin's activities. Considering the known events of his life, the chronic lack of success and stability mean that there is a high probability, that he encountered stress induced triggers. What outlet he might have had is as yet unknown. Respectfully Dave

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  • Natalie Severn
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    What stopped him from killing between 1888 and 1897, Dave?
    Sam,
    How do you know he stopped killing between 1888 and 1897? If he was Jack he knew how to avoid getting caught.
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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
    And then theres the matter of the only reason he stopped killing was the Queen's rope.
    What stopped him from killing between 1888 and 1897, Dave?

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  • protohistorian
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    [QUOTE=protohistorian;68002]In the case of Severin Klosowski ( henceforth to be called K for short ) I should like to share some salient points from Trial of George Chapman edited by Hargrove L. Adam.

    1. K at arrest, and by testimony had before his arrest kept rather substancial amounts of money "stashed" in his abode. K's own reason for this behavior was a distrust of banks. The point alone is neutral but may play a role in a gestaltic whole (P.41).

    2. K had earier in life "abandoned" his social position and left that social context entirely. His position at Praga was that of assistant surgeon, and he left it to enlist in the Russian Army at Warsaw. ( P. 2)

    3. Thought little of, and was risk averse to the governing structures within the social context he inhabited. K understood without doubt that poisoning your wife was not a socially sanctioned activity.


    4. Gave little or consideration to human beings that ostencibly occupied a prominent place within his own social construct (wives).

    5. Never admits to being Severin Klosowski at trial, and consequently, never accepts responsibility for his actions. On page 37 are the details of his strenuous efforts to shift his identified nationality from Polish to English.

    6. P.38 is in part a discussion of his" morbid interest in criminal law"

    7. p.37 is a multi specific example of demonstrated mendacity.


    8. p. 135 K. is taunting Bessies friend that she is dead when she is not

    I really like these 2 see if you can guess why

    9. p.37 shooting rats beneath the Crown for fun

    10. p.43 "obvoius arson"

    So here a fusion of the above

    Hi my name is George Chapman and I am definately not Polish, for the love of all that is Holy, not Polish. I don't give a damn about your or anyone else's rules. I like shooting rats and taunting people about there friend's deaths before they have even happened, oh and I study how criminals get away. I am biologically uncaple of relating any "truth" that may make appear anything less than Godlike. Things that make me happy.....hmmmmm....big rolls of cash in my house.


    I forgot the matter of a "missing polish "wife"and semi literate in surgery. And then theres the matter of the only reason he stopped killing was the Queen's rope.
    Last edited by protohistorian; 02-14-2009, 06:09 PM. Reason: like always piss poor spelling childish grammar

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  • protohistorian
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    a consideration of Behavior's

    In the case of Severin Klosowski ( henceforth to be called K for short ) I should like to share some salient points from Trial of George Chapman edited by Hargrove L. Adam.

    1. K at arrest, and by testimony had before his arrest kept rather substancial amounts of money "stashed" in his abode. K's own reason for this behavior was a distrust of banks. The point alone is ambiguos but may play a role in a gestaltic whole (P.41).

    2. K had earier in life "abandoned" his social position and left that social context entirely. His position at Praga was that of assistant surgeon, and he left it to enlist in the Russian Army at Warsaw. ( P. 2)

    3. Thought little of and was risk averse to the governing structures within the social context he inhabited. K understood without doubt that poisoning your wife was not a socially sanctioned activity.


    4. Gave little or consideration to human beings that ostencibly occupied a prominent place within his own social construct (wives). ( You need a page number,....really?)

    5. Never admits to being Severin Klosowski at trial, and consequently, never accepts responcibility for his actions. On page 37 his strenuous efforts to shift his identified nationality from Polish to English.

    6. P.38 is in part a discussion of his" morbid interest in criminal law"

    7. p.37 is a multi specific example of demonstrated mendacity.

    8. P.71 the chemist describes K. as "intellectual

    9. p. 135 K. is taunting Bessies friend that she is dead when she is not

    I really like these 2 see if you can guess why

    10. p.37 shooting rats beneath the Crown for fun

    11. p.43 "obvoius arson

    So here a fusion of the above

    Hi my name is George Chapman and I am definately not Polish, for the love of all that is Holy, not Polish. I don't give a rats ass sbout your or anyone elses rules. I like shooting rats and taunting people about there friends deaths before they have even happened, oh and I study how criminals get away. I am biologically uncaple of relating any "truth" that may make appear anything less than Godlike. Things that make me happy.....hmmmmm....big rolls of cash in my house.


    I forgot the matter of a "missing polish "wife"and semi literate in surgery. Please more knowlege people help me if I have forgotten anything.

    P.S. NO THIS GUY COULD NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE BEFORE MRS> SPINK, saying anything else will get you crucified.
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