thought experiment

[Sam Flynn]

It looks like just about anyone having a go with a sharp knife to me.

[protohistorian]

... his "technique" seem to vary from murder to murder, Dave, that's for sure. This strongly suggests, not a learned skill, but a rookie experimenting with different approaches.

Agreed, looks alot like a junior surgeon with delusions of granduer to me.

[protohistorian]

... not to mention manners, social status and physical appearance

To be sure, those were variables. It is a drawback to my approach that it remains so unvarifiable. It could also be that as he aged , younger women fit the targeted image in his mind.

[Sam Flynn]

I believe age was in his variable portion of his fantasy.

... not to mention manners, social status and physical appearance

[protohistorian]

If so, then the misogyny he allegedly exhibits in 1888 is channeled rather differently 9 years later. During that time he switches from primarily wasted middle-aged women to rather attractive younger ones.

Agreed. He has definately changed the way it is expressed. But misanthropic people in general do not age discriminate. It could also be that he has passed through his mature fetish stage and is now more interested in contempories and younger. I believe age was in his variable portion of his fantasy.

[Sam Flynn]

I think somewhere in his make up there is a strong current of misogyny, targeted mostly severly at older (older than he) women.

If so, then the misogyny he allegedly exhibits in 1888 is channeled rather differently 9 years later. During that time he switches from primarily wasted middle-aged women to rather attractive younger ones.

[protohistorian]

I might incline to agree with you there, Dave. However, whilst such a person might feel inclined to discreetly dispose of young, attractive women (ostensibly to make way for another young, attractive woman), I'd struggle to square such narcissism with the violent disembowelment of grubby, drunken forty-somethings in the open streets.

As to Kelly - he'd surely have been more inclined to date her, than to have torn her to bits? After all, his dealings with women were distinctly of the amorous kind - at least until he got fed up with them.

I think somewhere in his make up there is a strong current of misogyny, targeted mostly severly at older (older than he) women.

[Sam Flynn]

I think chapman was a malignant narcissist, (a greatly exagerated self esteem) with delusions of granduer.

I might incline to agree with you there, Dave. However, whilst such a person might feel inclined to discreetly dispose of young, attractive women (ostensibly to make way for another young, attractive woman), I'd struggle to square such narcissism with the violent disembowelment of grubby, drunken forty-somethings in the open streets.

As to Kelly - he'd surely have been more inclined to date her, than to have torn her to bits? After all, his dealings with women were distinctly of the amorous kind - at least until he got fed up with them.

[protohistorian]

Hi Dave,This didn't stop Klosowski from announcing himself as a mere "feldscher" to friends and family - this, despite his evident propensity to be something of a "Captain Bull$hit" in so many other ways. He seems to have had a good enough time in being a hairdresser and publican anyway: the womanizing, the boat, the American memorabilia, the la-di-da clothes, the self-confidence...

If I am right all those features are fronts. I think chapman was a malignant narcissist, (a greatly exagerated self esteem) with delusions of granduer. When he failed at achieving one of those delusions ( being a surgeon) it left a profoundly deep psychological scar on him. In his own mind,he was a failure. At some point in his mind, he shifted guilt from himself to women, and began attacks. Once he knew he could experiment, he did.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Dave,

I believe that after his apprenticeship, Chapman felt deep disappointment - possibly by the realization he was never going to be a Dr.

This didn't stop Klosowski from announcing himself as a mere "feldscher" to friends and family - this, despite his evident propensity to be something of a "Captain Bull$hit" in so many other ways. He seems to have had a good enough time in being a hairdresser and publican anyway: the womanizing, the boat, the American memorabilia, the la-di-da clothes, the self-confidence...

[protohistorian]

... his "technique" seem to vary from murder to murder, Dave, that's for sure. This strongly suggests, not a learned skill, but a rookie experimenting with different approaches.

Agreed not a learned skill, but I think he knew enough to formulate a methodology he thought would work. I can see chapman thinking, " how hard can it be"

[protohistorian]

Unfortunately, Jack also cut through Annie Chapman's colon - something that's often overlooked, or perhaps more accurately "eclipsed", in favour of more sensational sound-bites from Dr Phillips et al.

(Heaven knows what havoc he inflicted on Nichols' innards, by the way. What descriptions we have are pretty ropy even in terms of her more superficial wounds.)

O.K. here's the thing, I am NOT a fan of Gordon, but I do believe the pathology of Chapman fits. I believe that after his apprenticeship, Chapman felt deep disappointment (possibly by the realization he was never going to be a Dr. ) and began in his own mind to see himself as wronged because he felt himself capable of being a surgeon. This belief, with the realization that he could kill and get away with it, lead him to experiment as best he could and "practice" on easy prey. It's a thought anyhow

[Sam Flynn]

... his "technique" seem to vary from murder to murder, Dave, that's for sure. This strongly suggests, not a learned skill, but a rookie experimenting with different approaches.

[protohistorian]

Unfortunately, Jack also cut through Annie Chapman's colon - something that's often overlooked, or perhaps more accurately "eclipsed", in favour of more sensational sound-bites from Dr Phillips et al.

(Heaven knows what havoc he inflicted on Nichols' innards, by the way. What descriptions we have are pretty ropy even in terms of her more superficial wounds.)

looking at the wound patterns as described, I get the impression he is experimenting in a method that he feels is informative.

[Sam Flynn]

I am no expert but I think you would have to know where and how deep to cut to avoid damaging the cervix uteri. c.f. Annie Chapman

Unfortunately, Jack also cut through Annie Chapman's colon - something that's often overlooked, or perhaps more accurately "eclipsed", in favour of more sensational sound-bites from Dr Phillips et al.

(Heaven knows what havoc he inflicted on Nichols' innards, by the way. What descriptions we have are pretty ropy even in terms of her more superficial wounds.)