Hutchinson The Sailor Man

[Debra A]

Yes Debra it's this one which seems to fit (for the benefit of others).

Thanks MS. Have you made any progress tracing him outside of this casual ward entry? I think some thought the workhouse groom might be Cottage Grove Hutchinson as he corresponded in age; the 1887 watch stealer who liked horses Research showed that Cottage Grove Hutchinson's actual name was George Hutchison, without an 'n'. While the workhouse records may have simply spelt it wrongly, his signature on the police statements clearly say Hutchinson and his signature on his Freedom of the City application is very different to the police statement signature.

[Fisherman]

Well this hutch isn't too young to be torso ripper.

Which is a tad meagre to qualify for the role, though...

[Abby Normal]

You are correct, as always. I know who he favours for the role, though...

I think he started the thread to help out with an identification, not because he was very impressed with this sailor.

Well this hutch isn't too young to be torso ripper.

[Fisherman]

Yes Debra it's this one which seems to fit (for the benefit of others).

Seems to fit? Up?

[Abby Normal]

Yes MS, I think he might be the groom listed in the Newington workhouse vagrant (casual) ward that Pat once found too. Most of the lodging house class who weren't in regular employment but who relied on travelling from place to place looking for a days work, or worked in the crop fields or were hawkers etc. would use the causual wards when on their travels.

He even walks about all night! ; )

[Fisherman]

Probably!!?
Toppy was never unemployed and living at the Victoria Working Men's Home.
Where would he have gained his military bearing?
Part of his plumbing apprenticeship

A/ We donīt know what a military bearing is - or so Iīm told.

B/ Some say it is a straight back, nothing more.

C/ Either way, anybody could have had it.

He apparently did NOT live at the Victoria Home, by the way.

As for the unemployed business, that was what Reg said, and he was not around at the time. He would have spoken of later days.

[Fisherman]

Because he was Jack the Ripper.
Reckon he enlisted Hutchinson as a lookout.

He was Jack the Ripper because...?

[MysterySinger]

Yes MS, I think he might be the groom listed in the Newington workhouse vagrant (casual) ward that Pat once found too. Most of the lodging house class who weren't in regular employment but who relied on travelling from place to place looking for a days work, or worked in the crop fields or were hawkers etc. would use the causual wards when on their travels.

Yes Debra it's this one which seems to fit (for the benefit of others).

[DJA]

Probably!!?
Toppy was never unemployed and living at the Victoria Working Men's Home.
Where would he have gained his military bearing?
Part of his plumbing apprenticeship

[DJA]

Because he was Jack the Ripper.
Reckon he enlisted Hutchinson as a lookout.

[Fisherman]

Toppy and the "witness" of the night/morning of Mary Kelly's demise have different signatures.

Of course, since all signatures vary, even your own ones, to some degree - but they were nevertheless similar enough for Frank Leander to make the call that they were probably signed by the same man.

Done deal, case over for me.

[Fisherman]

Behind Henry Gawen Sutton

...who needs to be on the list, because...???

[Debra A]

So not Toppy then. I think Hutch was a vagrant.

Yes MS, I think he might be the groom listed in the Newington workhouse vagrant (casual) ward that Pat once found too. Most of the lodging house class who weren't in regular employment but who relied on travelling from place to place looking for a days work, or worked in the crop fields or were hawkers etc. would use the causual wards when on their travels.

[MysterySinger]

So not Toppy then. I think Hutch was a vagrant.

[DJA]

Were there TWO George Hutchinsons witnessing? Because one has already been found and ID:d via his signature...

Toppy and the "witness" of the night/morning of Mary Kelly's demise have different signatures.