Jane Welland writes:
"What I'm not sure I do see, is that even if Toppy=Hutch, it would rule him out as the killer?"
Of course it doesn´t, Jane - as for me, I am of the opinion that there may have been an element of aquiantance inbetween Kelly and her killer. One of the pointers in this direction would be Bond´s suggestion that the sheet had been used to cover Kellys face as the killer cut away at it.
And Hutchinsons admits - whether true or not, we can´t tell of course - that he gave her money every now and then, something that seems to point to them knowing each other rather well. So even if Toppy was the witness, it can never put him in the clear for the murder/s. Just like Ben pointed out in a rational post earlier, we have people like Dennis Rader who upheld a marriage during his years as a serial killer. And there are heaps of other examples of people having relationships with women, marriages and friendships, throughout history, in spite of actively killing: Kürten, Collins, Christie, the Green River killer ...
And wouldn´t it be fantastic if we could actually put a face on the Ripper, after all these years? Not that I really think it was Toppy though - my gut feeling tells me that he´s in the clear. But such a thing needs to be proven, and that is something none of us can accomplish!
The best, Jane!
Fisherman
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I prefer not to vote, the reason being that I respect Leanders wording that no full opinion can be formed from the material existing. Therefore, we cannot be dead sure that Toppy was Hutch.
If I had been provided with the option "As it stands, everything points to a match", I would have opted for it though. My stance would take me to some place inbetween options one and two, I believe.
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I voted No.
Jen
I voted 'No' since I consider it unlikely. I'm not sure it's exactly a case of 'not a cat in Hell's chance' but I liked the phrase - so that swayed me!
What I'm not sure I do see, is that even if Toppy=Hutch, it would rule him out as the killer? I expect that view to be posted elsewhere in due course. Just doesn't follow, for me.
There are too many issues to claim a positive I.D. for me - I think that's where I stand right now. Not least of these is that Hutchinson may not have been the 'real' name of the Dorset Street witness - you only have to look at the multitude of names by which some of the people involved in this case were known to see that it wouldn't have been uncommon at all to go by more than one.
It would be an incredibly lucky strike if Toppy=Hutch - but it wouldn't mean he wasn't the Whitechapel Murderer imo - I think that's just naive.
All the best
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well Rob...
only the few are well-endowed with bravery...we should stand proud i think!
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haha
there, Rob, i have joined you now...you are not alone. Everyone else is probably voting on the defective poll...
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second Toppy/Hutch were do we stand...
23Absolutely sure without a shadow of a doubt they are the same.26.09%6It's probable, but nothing definite can be established.13.04%3It's a possibilty that cannot be ruled out. That's as far as the evidence takes us.26.09%6There just isnt enough evidence to make up my mind either way.21.74%5Not a cat in hell's chance of being the same!13.04%3sorry folks i left out an option...please reply to this one...
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