The local guy hypothesis without evidence

[Ben]

MRS LONG: I dunno, officer... He was shabbily dressed. Kinda had a genteel manner. I guess you could say he was a... shabby-genteel lol.

She's using a ready-made description.

Undoubtedly so, Robert.

A ready-made description which means (according to the dictionary):

"Trying to maintain dignity and self-respect despite shabbiness"

The poorest dock-workers shaved their heads to prevent lice, but "tried to maintain dignity and self-respect" by keeping a small tuft of hair visible above the forehead and under the hat-line.

[RockySullivan]

What on earth are you talking about? I said that there was no proof that "most" of the victims were murdered not "all". Personally, I find it helpful to read posts properly!

That actually is my bad because I read it as "any"...sorry about that

[Pierre]

Or...or....what did he do near Pinchin st and Whitehall? The ripper murders are close together, and the victims all had lived very close at one time but the Torso murders are spread out, with one being in the heart of the ripper's territory. What would make the killer dump the torsos along the thames? I would say the place where TK dismembered was somewhere close to the thames. Can anyone identify a central location of the torso dumps (possibly excluding pinchin)? The torso dumps should be nearer to the murder site, as it's harder to carry a body. But it always could have been on a boat. The killer could have lived in whitechapel and chose to kill on the streets there because it involved no cleanup and a quick getaway home and could have dismembered not at home but somewhere else.

Hi,

yes, a central location is Battersea Park.

And it is interesteing when you change perspective, isnīt it?

If you try that a few times you will perhaps start working with the hypothesis that his comfort zone is much larger than just Whitechapel. How come? What sort of a person would like to make an area between the east and west end his territory? Where is the middle point of that area? Where is his own home?

Pierre

[Pierre]

Link?

No link. My own data sources.

Pierre

[John G]

Again...the pinchin torso: The jury at once returned a verdict of "Wilful murder against some person or persons unknown."

But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion!

What on earth are you talking about? I said that there was no proof that "most" of the victims were murdered not "all". Personally, I find it helpful to read posts properly!

[DJA]

Link?

Missing.

[RockySullivan]

JtR wasn't the Torso killer, as the MO/signatures are drastically different. Moreover, there's no proof that most of the Torso victims were even murdered.

Again...the pinchin torso: The jury at once returned a verdict of "Wilful murder against some person or persons unknown."

But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion!

[RockySullivan]

Hi,

If the local guy is the dismemberment murderer, what did he do in Battersea and Chelsea?

Regards Pierre

Or...or....what did he do near Pinchin st and Whitehall? The ripper murders are close together, and the victims all had lived very close at one time but the Torso murders are spread out, with one being in the heart of the ripper's territory. What would make the killer dump the torsos along the thames? I would say the place where TK dismembered was somewhere close to the thames. Can anyone identify a central location of the torso dumps (possibly excluding pinchin)? The torso dumps should be nearer to the murder site, as it's harder to carry a body. But it always could have been on a boat. The killer could have lived in whitechapel and chose to kill on the streets there because it involved no cleanup and a quick getaway home and could have dismembered not at home but somewhere else.

[Damaso Marte]

Hi,

No, he didnīt flee into Whitechapel. He walked from Mitre Square 10 minutes to a hiding place outside of Whitechapel, left what he took from Eddowes there, washed up, took the piece of apron and a chalk with him, went back and left the two pieces of evidence, then went back to the hiding place.

This night was extremely well planned. As was Millerīs Court.

Occamīs razor sometimes cuts away important things.

Regards Pierre

Link?

[Wickerman]

WICKERMAN. I have my doubts that she was clever enough to contrive the term "shabby genteel" for the purposes of her description.

By what measure have you determined how clever she was?

[Rosella]

^ as for 'middle aged', people in their early thirties were regarded as middle aged then, (and yes I know Mrs Long described a man who she thought was over forty, and foreign ie Jewish) just an example of how life expectancy has changed.

[Robert St Devil]

WICKERMAN. I have my doubts that she was clever enough to contrive the term "shabby genteel" for the purposes of her description. As in:

MRS LONG: I dunno, officer... He was shabbily dressed. Kinda had a genteel manner. I guess you could say he was a... shabby-genteel lol.

She's using a ready-made description.

[DJA]

Hi,
he was middle aged, short , and stout, and at least one of the victims was premeditated,that being MJK.

+1

Rhetorical question.....what was the distance between Nichols and Chapman's murders?

Perhaps he was walking home.

[Wickerman]

Mrs. Long described her suspect as "shabby genteel", incidentally, which does not mean "respectably-dressed" and certainly not "middle class". The ruffian who visited Mrs. Fiddymont's pub was also described that way, and "respectable" his appearance certainly wasn't.

You might want to read up on what "Genteel" means with regard to attire.

"refined, or respectable, often in an affected or ostentatious way."

Any man, attired in respectable clothing is "Genteel".
That same clothing, when creased, dusty, well worn at the knees and elbows, if slightly stained, is described as "Shabby".
The man seen by Mrs Long also wore a deerstalker, as opposed to the common flat or peaked cap, wideawake, or similar.

Her description of "Shabby-genteel" was in response to being asked if he looked like a dock laborer or working man, her response indicates she thought him slightly above that station.
This suspect appeared a cut above the common working man, though he may have seen better days.

Sorry Ben, no top hat, cape or black bag....
Respectable is not exclusive to, "Toff".

[richardnunweek]

Hi John...
Entirely plausible suspect, has a lot going for him, pity his name was not Joe Thompson..?
Regards Richard.