I think I have found him.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

There were articles in radical newspapers like the Star as well as letters from socialists at the time though weren't there, to the effect that if Duchesses and other well born ladies had been ripped up in their West End mansions something much more in the way of effort would have been expended to catch the fiend.

Instead, because it was the very poor who were affected, the government didn't care. Not true, but this letter continues the theme. The police and radical press probabably received hundreds of such letters from all over the country.

A jury foreman expressed himself quite clearly about it.


St James Gazette, 18 september, about the Nichols inquest:

"The foreman of the jury said that if a substantial reward had been offered in the first case he believed that the last two murders would never have been perpetrated. Of the matter was put before the Home Secretary, and a large reward was promised, he (the foreman) would willingly give £25. Had the murdered persons belonged to the rich and aristocratic class, a reward would immediately have been offered."

[Rosella]

This letter refers to hearing about him possibly operating in the West End, though. Also Brighton was a fashionable winter resort for the upper classes in the 19th century.

[Bridewell]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

I think, in the East End, any woman would be described as a duchess in the vernacular, and I take the showing of lace to be possibly a reference to intestines. 'Heavy on the gilded' is an interesting reference though.

[Rosella]

There were articles in radical newspapers like the Star as well as letters from socialists at the time though weren't there, to the effect that if Duchesses and other well born ladies had been ripped up in their West End mansions something much more in the way of effort would have been expended to catch the fiend.

Instead, because it was the very poor who were affected, the government didn't care. Not true, but this letter continues the theme. The police and radical press probabably received hundreds of such letters from all over the country.

[Pierre]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

Hi Michael,

No, it isn´t.

Regards Pierre

[Michael W Richards]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

[Craig H]

Hello Craig.
You may consider other newspapers. One of his references was the Freemans Journal (Ireland) in reference to the Lord Mayors Show. I have been reading the dailies, and it has a much different perspective, esp. re. Ch. Warren.

Thanks Robert. I'll look for that on the database
All the best.Criag

[Craig H]

Hi Craig,

You don´t need to go back any further on the above papers.

Regards Pierre

Thanks Pierre

[Shaggyrand]

^ How many more months to go before Pierre can lay down his burden and change history? I can barely contain my excitement.

Well... He said something about 12 months to get his last piece of data when he first started posting, right? So... Another 10 1/2 months at a guess. THIS HYPE TRAIN HAS NO BRAKES!!! CHOO! CHOO! Mama Jammas! I'm all a tinge with anticipation.

[Rosella]

^ How many more months to go before Pierre can lay down his burden and change history? I can barely contain my excitement.

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre

You mentioned before that your suspect wrote a letter to the editor of two news papers, days before the November 9 attack.

This letter alluded to Mary, the address and the date; and was intended to taunt the police.

I’ve looked on databases for five major London papers (Times, Pall Mall Gazette, Morning Post, London Evening Standard, Daily News) for 4 days before the Kelly murder (ie. November 6 – 9).

While the exercise was an interesting insight into London life in 1888, I didn’t find any letter to the editor with what you were describing.

I’m assuming your letter must have been in one of these papers (as you mentioned you had a digital copy). I can’t find a digital archive for the other major papers – such as Daily Telegraph and Central News Agency.

Do I need to go back further on the above papers ?

You had provided us specific information on this letter, which made me think you were OK if we found it.

My understanding was the letter – on its own – didn’t reveal your suspect’s identify, so you may be OK in letting us see that letter ??

Providing a small piece of your data may help reassure us there is data behind your theory, without you revealing your suspect.

Could this be a useful compromise ?

All the best

Craig

Hi Craig,

You don´t need to go back any further on the above papers.

Regards Pierre

[Elamarna]

Rocky agree 100%.

I have been wondering the same thing about the "solution ". Particularly given that Pinkmoon started that spoof thread in pub talk.

Whatever is going on is causing great damage to this forum I fear.

For all the rest of you. PLEASE stop playing games.

Regards to all

[Patrick S]

Hi,

I understand that you´d like to let off some steam after the mistake someone made with writing about the "Grampton solution".

Anyway, I find it hard to make jokes about the Ripper case, since I believe I know who he was. I also know that I have to report on my findings when I am finished with this. And that is another thing I don´t find amusing.

At this point I feel certain that this person is the serial murderer we are discussing here. But since feelings have no place in research, I put those aside.

I find it hard to accept that I might be the one who will solve this case. Why me?

I still hope I am wrong.

Regards Pierre

Why you? Why YOU? Because you're a talented and principled researcher, Pierre! THAT'S why you. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, my friend. Bear this burden. See it through. For the victims.......For all of us. God speed.

[Robert St Devil]

Hi Pierre

You mentioned before that your suspect wrote a letter to the editor of two news papers, days before the November 9 attack.

This letter alluded to Mary, the address and the date; and was intended to taunt the police.

I’ve looked on databases for five major London papers (Times, Pall Mall Gazette, Morning Post, London Evening Standard, Daily News) for 4 days before the Kelly murder (ie. November 6 – 9).

While the exercise was an interesting insight into London life in 1888, I didn’t find any letter to the editor with what you were describing.

I’m assuming your letter must have been in one of these papers (as you mentioned you had a digital copy). I can’t find a digital archive for the other major papers – such as Daily Telegraph and Central News Agency.

Do I need to go back further on the above papers ?

You had provided us specific information on this letter, which made me think you were OK if we found it.

My understanding was the letter – on its own – didn’t reveal your suspect’s identify, so you may be OK in letting us see that letter ??

Providing a small piece of your data may help reassure us there is data behind your theory, without you revealing your suspect.

Could this be a useful compromise ?

All the best

Craig

Hello Craig.
You may consider other newspapers. One of his references was the Freemans Journal (Ireland) in reference to the Lord Mayors Show. I have been reading the dailies, and it has a much different perspective, esp. re. Ch. Warren.

[RockySullivan]

Hi,

I understand that you´d like to let off some steam after the mistake someone made with writing about the "Grampton solution".

Anyway, I find it hard to make jokes about the Ripper case, since I believe I know who he was. I also know that I have to report on my findings when I am finished with this. And that is another thing I don´t find amusing.

At this point I feel certain that this person is the serial murderer we are discussing here. But since feelings have no place in research, I put those aside.

I find it hard to accept that I might be the one who will solve this case. Why me?

I still hope I am wrong.

Regards Pierre

Rosella this post is hysterical, this guy is clearly a merrie melodie. I wouldn't trust this guy to put on my underpants, let alone solve a case. And I think the crampon solution could very well be just some people annoyed with pierre