Was The Ripper A Police Official?

[Garry Wroe]

The fact the Whitechapel murders covers 3 jurisdictions, does not support an on duty constable as Jack.

Even if he was a policeman, Monty, and knew the routines of the local beat officers, he had no way of knowing that he wouldn't be seen or perhaps captured as a member of the public came upon him at one of the crime scenes. Or did he have advanced knowledge of the movements of the local civilian population too?

[Mayerling]

Hi Monty,

Yes, I am ignorant of police procedure. But the killer wasn´t.

And I do not compare the case to single murder cases, if you somehow got that idea from not reading what I write.

Regards, Pierre

You certainly believe in overkill. Monty himself mentioned that a single case (Cooke's murder of his ex-girlfriend, the prostitute Maud Smith), was not comparable to a series of crimes. Also he was addressing me NOT YOU !! You do love to throw yourself into the middle of things apparently. Something of a narcissist there.

By the way, why do you insist on suggesting JTR is a "Vampire"? I realize that he/she once MAY HAVE eaten part of a stolen human kidney, but there is no real proof of that. Certainly there is no known acknowledgement of the Ripper that he/she drank human blood. To put this into perspective for you, a student of serial killing, John George Haigh acknowledged or claimed he drank the blood of his victims (as well as their and his urine), but that may have been a ploy to suggest that he was crazy. Where does this "Vampire" stuff come from? You even make it sound like he still alive and kicking (as any good little Vampire might be). I tend to think not - interest in the case today, 128 years later, does not create a Vampire except perhaps in small minds of pretentious intellectuals like yourself. JTR would most likely have been dead (for a good many years) by 1960. Hardly a Vampire.

Jeff

[Mayerling]

I'm very aware of the Cooke case Jeff, as I've just written about him for the new book and visited the SOC last summer. .

I should have included " and get away with it" at the end. Cooke was bought to justice via his vigilant landlady, as he tried to bury his truncheon.

It would have only been a matter of time for Cooke to have been bought to justice. As his appointment was unaccounted for, and suspicion was already being drawn before the landlady reported what she saw.

The fact the Whitechapel murders covers 3 jurisdictions, does not support an on duty constable as Jack. The double event especially draws its own issues with such a theory as even reserves were drawn upon.

And a singular murder is not comparable to a series.

Pierres theory needs to address these issues, and many more. Time will tell if he/she can. So far, based on what has been presented, I say Pierre cannot. It flounders on three points already. And one serious one.

That being, and as shown by David and Steve, Pierre is ignorant of Police procedure of the period.

Monty

Hi Monty,

Sorry I did not response yesterday. I don't know if it will help you but I did write an article about the Cooke Case that was published. In the "Journal of the Police History Society" Number 13 1998 there is an article by me entitled, "The Murder of Wormwood Scrubbs" (pages 8 to 12), that deals with the tragedy of P.C. George Samuel Cooke. If you find it, maybe you'll find it of interest.

Jeff

[John G]

Hi Monty,

Yes, I am ignorant of police procedure. But the killer wasn´t.

And I do not compare the case to single murder cases, if you somehow got that idea from not reading what I write.

Regards, Pierre

Hi Pierre,

But if he was familiar with police procedures, why do you say he selected Mitre Square? I mean, it was regularly patrolled, every few minutes, by two officers so, from that perspective, was one of the worse places he could have chosen.

And how would a Met officer be familiar with City Police procedures,and vice versa?

[Pierre]

Was the ripper a police official ? YES !! Don't ask me why it's just a hunch !!

All the best,

Niko.

Hi Niko,

Since you say yes, why?

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

I'm very aware of the Cooke case Jeff, as I've just written about him for the new book and visited the SOC last summer. .

I should have included " and get away with it" at the end. Cooke was bought to justice via his vigilant landlady, as he tried to bury his truncheon.

It would have only been a matter of time for Cooke to have been bought to justice. As his appointment was unaccounted for, and suspicion was already being drawn before the landlady reported what she saw.

The fact the Whitechapel murders covers 3 jurisdictions, does not support an on duty constable as Jack. The double event especially draws its own issues with such a theory as even reserves were drawn upon.

And a singular murder is not comparable to a series.

Pierres theory needs to address these issues, and many more. Time will tell if he/she can. So far, based on what has been presented, I say Pierre cannot. It flounders on three points already. And one serious one.

That being, and as shown by David and Steve, Pierre is ignorant of Police procedure of the period.

Monty

Hi Monty,

Yes, I am ignorant of police procedure. But the killer wasn´t.

And I do not compare the case to single murder cases, if you somehow got that idea from not reading what I write.

Regards, Pierre

[niko]

Was the ripper a police official ? YES !! Don't ask me why it's just a hunch !!

All the best,

Niko.

[DJA]

Just require a suitable scriptwriter.

[Elamarna]

It was background research for a project on the Herodian Dynasty and Jesus and his followers that I spent quite some time working on.

Paul Verhoeven has been attempting to get a movie made on the Hasmonean/Maccabee saga for several years.

Most people have not dug very deep and have very superficial ideas.

Thought Jack the Ripper would be an easy project that would take a maximum 7 years to get into production.

i assume from that you are still no nearer a result. sorry

Steve

[DJA]

I have found figures from as low as 22% up to around 40% quoted for the total percentage of scrolls that refer to copies of texts from the old testament.


No matter how much I have searched i have not been able find data to back up Pierre's statement. I do however of course concede that 3-4 hours is a relatively short search period, but I would have expected, indeed did expect to find something.


I know this is somewhat off topic, but it does portray I believe a consistent failure in Pierre’s arguments.

It was background research for a project on the Herodian Dynasty and Jesus and his followers that I spent quite some time working on.

Paul Verhoeven has been attempting to get a movie made on the Hasmonean/Maccabee saga for several years.

Most people have not dug very deep and have very superficial ideas.

Thought Jack the Ripper would be an easy project that would take a maximum 7 years to get into production.

[Wickerman]

Not read the book, but saw the tv documentary.

his interpretation I found seriously wanting, but his actual science was very interesting.

of course it may be better in the book.

I think I saw the/a documentary on the subject, I found a couple of holes in his theory regarding the hieroglyphs, but his analysis of the copper, its origin and presumed provenance is harder to question, given his profession.

[GUT]

Pierre inaccurate tell me it ain't so just lost faith in everything, if you can't trust Pierre to be honest and accurate.

[Elamarna]

Absolute garbage.

Less than a quarter of the Dead Sea Scrolls relate to the Exile and are mainly copies.

The Teacher of Righteousness pre dated Jesus,although some scholars suspect he was James the brother of Jesus/James the Just/Bar Abbas.

Your ever changing data and sources are just the latest thing you find and fantasise about.

Little foundation in reality.

Yes DJA

I have spent several hours scouring the internet and my reference books in an attempt to confirm to myself what Pierre as said was accurate given he gave no figures.

I have found figures from as low as 22% up to around 40% quoted for the total percentage of scrolls that refer to copies of texts from the old testament.

I must say this surprised me because Pierre had originally said:

"Most of its material date back to the exile in Babylon"

"Most of ", surely means more than half, 50%+.


No matter how much I have searched i have not been able find data to back up Pierre's statement. I do however of course concede that 3-4 hours is a relatively short search period, but I would have expected, indeed did expect to find something.

However i reread what Pierre had written in his reply to me, it was somewhat different from his first statement.

"Since the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to a lot of material from the old testament and since most of that material is generated during the Babylonian exile it dates back to the exile"

He is no longer saying "most", just "a lot", which of course can mean anything, and he then qualifies it by saying "most" of the "a lot" of material was generated in Babylon.


We could for the sake of argument, deduce that the "a lot" is somewhere between the sources I have found, lets say 32% and most of (51%+)that was generated in the exile.

However none of the documents were produced during the exile and in fact are copies.

It would appear that Pierre's statement:

"since most of that material is generated during the Babylonian exile it dates back to the exile"

is not in fact accurate.

I know this is somewhat off topic, but it does portray I believe a consistent failure in Pierre’s arguments.

differently my last comments on the Dead Sea Scrolls

[mklhawley]

...the teacher of righteousness conforms best to John the Baptist while the wicked priest conforms best to Jesus.

Now, back to Ripperology.

[mklhawley]

Hi Mike,

and thanks.

But just because you find fossils that "match" the stories in Genesis does not mean there is a god.

And just because I find sources "matching" other sources in a persons life doesn´t mean he was Jack the Ripper.

Academic historians and sociologists are critical thinkers. We start by criticizing our own thinking.

And by the way. I think you should read the Dead Sea Scrolls. Most of its material date back to the exile in Babylon. And there they had a "teacher of righteousness". Do you know who he was? He was the opposite to Ezra. And his life story is the later greek construction of Jesus. So as you can see, the old testament and the new are only social political texts. And social political texts can not be found in stones.

Kind regards, Pierre

Boy, have you messed up my point. Critical thinking is exactly what my book's about. I am aware of the teacher of righteousness from the Dead Sea scrolls. Old news. I'm also aware of how you've cherry picked the evidence. Sorry.