Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Garry Wroe]

I think mr. Jeff has had a few drinks and/ or never produced that show ... This site seems to bred them!

You could be right, Abby.

Geez, work is work. And I know why Gary thinks you did Jeff and that's because it's on IMDB.

It was a different show, Errata. I spent hours searching the internet for the programme I saw but came up with nothing.

Hardly surprising, though, since it was dross of the first magnitude.

[Jeff Leahy]

I was referring to a trashy TV psychic investigation into the Ripper murders screened (I believed) last year. Kate Eddowes was ‘contacted’ and revealed the name of her killer as Kosminski. The director was one Jeff Leahy.

If I’m confusing you with someone else I apologize unreservedly.

If I’m not, the less said about such garbage the better.

Seriously Garry could you please give more details about this, where it was broadcast on which network, possibly the title?

It is seriously worrying to me that someone might be using footage I've created (Not that I've filmed Kate endows contacting Kozminski) or my name in a context where they do not have permission. There could be a serious copyright issue here if what you say is true.

I'd be very grateful

Also worrying is the fact that I have not been involved in such programs since around 2007/8. My output since then being purely factual History, commercial advertising and comedy Drama.

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Geez, work is work. And I know why Gary thinks you did Jeff and that's because it's on IMDB. There is a Jeff Leahy who did Psychic Detectives

I made a large number of Psychic Detective, and Legend Detective programs. It was my job. However I never made a program on Jack the Ripper. Jack the Stripper is a subject I know a lot about. Brain Jones, Robinhood, Guy Fawkes, Dracula etc etc

However I have never made a program wit Kate Eddows in the Ten Bells. There was a program made by a production company called Antix which featured the Ten Bells…I was never involved

There was a program that I was involved in the early stages of commissioning staring Ric Reeves, but again I was not involved in the final production.. So my only TV jack the Ripper output to date is Jack the Ripper the Definitive Story. (I did film some of the Jack the Ripper conferences which again were never broadcast)

If someone is using footage I created in another context then there are serious legal issues to that and I'd be grateful if Garry could supply that information.

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Bizarre.

Truly bizarre.

Gary you are making some very serious aligations here. As I've said I've never been involved in a TV production that features Kate Eddows at the ten Bells.

If someone is using my name in that context it is identity theft, and I'd be grateful if you could supply me with that information.

While I have never been involved in a Jack the Ripper program other than Definitive Story, many years ago I filmed a pilot for a UK television channel. It was never broadcast and to my knowledge the footage no longer exists and the Production company responsible no long exist and have since disappeared. However an interview was filmed with a direct decedent of Cathrine Eddows at a television production company offices. If someone has acquired or is using that footage without my knowledge or those involved permission, it is a very serious matter indeed, which throws up many copyright infringement issues.

This should go throw the correct legal channels at Directors UK I'd be grateful if you could be more specific exactly what you are talking about and supply names and contact information

Many thanks
Jeff Leahy

[Errata]

Geez, work is work. And I know why Gary thinks you did Jeff and that's because it's on IMDB. There is a Jeff Leahy who did Psychic Detectives or some such and a thing on Guy Fawlkes, and theres another Jeff Leahy with the Ripper credit. At first blush there is no reason to think both are not you. The truth is though that IMDB is an unholy mess with episode credits unless you are Sydney Lumet or something. And I don't have a problem you directing some psychic nonsense. I assume you did your job well and got paid an appropriate amount. It is after all a job. Not a religious calling.

But if it makes anyone feel better, I WAS a psychic for six years in my mid twenties at carnivals and renaissance festivals, complete with table rapping and spirit summoning. I don't believe in any of that, but the pay was great, and my kung fu is strong. And no I don't feel bad for ripping people off because a: I didn't. That ****'s not easy to do and I gave a good solid performance every single time and b: nobody goes to a renaissance festival for authentic anything.

Work is work. I've been an actress, a singer, a costumer, a psychic, a stunt woman, and a bloody pirate for a living among other things. I have enjoyed each and every job, and if you think I turned down repairing g strings for strippers because I wanted to make gowns for The King and I, or refused to sing back up vocals on a country album when I wanted to be a rock star then you are out of your mind. So yeah I strapped on a head scarf and a coin belt and sat at a table with a clear lucite ball that was once part of a Chinese restaurant fountain. Someone want to question my judgement or reliability? I showed up for work on time with a smile on my face didn't I?

Ye gods people. Get back to work.

[Abby Normal]

Bizarre.

Truly bizarre.

Hi garry

I think mr. Jeff has had a few drinks and/ or never produced that show.
Either way. I'm the last to judge on passionate outbursts.This site seems to bred them!

[Garry Wroe]

Bizarre.

Truly bizarre.

[Jeff Leahy]

Actually Garry I take what you are claiming very seriously..its a complete lie

If you would like to give me your solicitors details I'm happy to take this further

Yours Jeff Leahy
Producer/Director

[Jeff Leahy]

I was referring to a trashy TV psychic investigation into the Ripper murders screened (I believed) last year. Kate Eddowes was ‘contacted’ and revealed the name of her killer as Kosminski. The director was one Jeff Leahy.

If I’m confusing you with someone else I apologize unreservedly.

If I’m not, the less said about such garbage the better.

LOOK TWAT ASS YOUR A COMPLETE ++++ CHRAST KNOWS WHY ANYONE WOU DEAL WITH SUCH A LYING TOAD OF THE LOWEST DIVISION>>ITS LIKE DEALING WITH FIFA

I HAVE NEVER MADE A PROMGRAMME WITH A TV PSYCHIC THAT INVESTGATES KATE EDDOWS IN THE TEN BELLS>>>NEVER UTTER LIE COMPLETE FABRICATION

EITHER PUBLICALLY APOLOGUISE FOT YOUR WNKER MISTAKE OR **** OFF

I REALLY DONT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS COMPLETE TRASH…I HAVE ONLY EVER MADE ONE OUT PUT TV SERIES ON JACK THE RIPPER CALLED "THE DEFINITIVE STORY" ONE PROGRAM ONE PROGRAM ONLY DICK ASS…One TV output and one only on the subject of Jack the Ripper!!!!!!!

YOURS JEFF

PS TWAT…I HAVE MADE ONE PSYCHIC 90 minute length PROGRAM MANY YEARS AGO< BUT THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS GUY FAWKES NOT JACK THE RIPPER DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TWAT

OBVIOUSLY ITS DESTRESSING WHEN PEOPLE PUBLOCALLY PRINT LIES ABOUT YOU ON INTERNATIONAL MESSAGE BOARDS> I"M HOPING THOSE WHO KNOW ME WILL CONFIRM THAT I HAVE ONLY (AT PRESENT) RELEASED ONE MINI SERIES ABOUT JACK THE RIPPER CALLED THE DEFINTIVE STORY>>> AND HOPE TO SOON RELEASE A SECOND>>BUT HAVE NEVER RELEASED A PROGRAMME VIA IPM or ANYOTHER PRODUCTION COMAPNY ABOUT JACK THE RIPPER. FACT…I'M HOPING THAT CASEBOOK MORERATORS ARE LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE IT IS ….LIABLE

[pinkmoon]

I still feel that there is a massive doubt over the notes in the margin from what I've read I still feel they are not genuine so to answer the question of this thread "did the seaside identification happen" my answer has to be no it never happened and I will also have to discount Kosminski as a subject who might have been Jack the ripper.I do feel that these notes are given to much credibility because people want them to be genuine and thus give us a suspect for these crimes but like I said before from what I've read I feel that there is absolutely no chance of Kosminski been our killer I will concede he's a better bet than sir William gull,duke of Clarence,Lewis Carroll,doctor barnado,the elephant man,Mr cross,Ostrog,Vincent and Walter.

[Garry Wroe]

Thats not the quote you gave. You gave a quote that clearly said 'Little'

Okay, let’s give this one last go.

There was a time when a serialist could be defined as such only when (s)he had committed a minimum of three murders at three separate locations with a significant cooling off period between each individual event. The criterion relating to the number of murders was subsequently reduced from three to two.

The original FBI definition of a blitz attack was one which stipulated no precrime interaction between an offender and victim. As profiling spread about the world it evolved such that the definition was relaxed in order to accommodate obvious blitz attacks in which an offender may have spoken a few words before launching an assault. Thus the ‘little to no precrime interaction’ descriptor was adopted as a general principle within criminology.

That’s how these things work. They evolve over time.

If that is the case Hazelwoods quotations would be correct

Okay, have it your way. Let’s trust to the original FBI definition of the blitz attack which allowed for no precrime interaction between the Ripper and his victims. None at all. Not a single word.

Now explain Mrs Long’s account. And what about the Lawende sighting which involved a clear interaction between Eddowes and companion?

On top of this the Hanbury Street and Mitre Square crime scenes were some distance away from where Long and Lawende made their respective sightings. So not only do we have clear evidence of interaction between killer and victim, we have them walking from the locus of initial contact to an entirely different venue.

Demonstrably, you have no understanding of the essence of a blitz attack. If, as you insist, the killer had approached a victim, asked her if she was doing business, then lured her to some secreted area for the purpose of murder, we would not be dealing with a blitz attack. This would be a ruse attack. In other words the killer would have employed deceit rather than an explosion of violence to achieve his aims. But this is what you continue to argue. Your viewpoint, however, is as unsustainable as it is incomprehensible.

"Yes, I’ve seen some of your TV output, including the programme in which you contacted the spirit of Kate Eddowes in the cellar of the Ten Bells. Gripping stuff. Especially the bit where ‘Kate’ revealed the name of her killer."

I again reproduce the quote where he directly claims that the Definitive Story has Kate in the Ten Bells and reveals the name of the killer …

Directly claims? You have presented a quotation in which The Definitive Story is not mentioned. Not once. Not even in passing.

… Either a pack of lies of course or Gary has simply not watched my TV output and is confusing me with someone else.

I was referring to a trashy TV psychic investigation into the Ripper murders screened (I believed) last year. Kate Eddowes was ‘contacted’ and revealed the name of her killer as Kosminski. The director was one Jeff Leahy.

If I’m confusing you with someone else I apologize unreservedly.

If I’m not, the less said about such garbage the better.

[John G]

But sir Melville picked him over Kosminski

Yes, it does seem strange that he favoured Druitt. I mean, the only evidence against him seems to be that his family thought him guilty but so, apparently, did Kosminski's. And, of course, Kosminski at least lived in the local area and was supposedly identified by a witness, although I accept that identification was far from reliable.

Didn't McNaughton claim he was in possession of some private information that pointed to Druitt's guilt?

[pinkmoon]

Hi Jeff,

Yes, I was very impressed by the Canter article on serial killer classification, which illustrates that, following Hazelwood's pioneering research, this is still a complex and developing area.

Interesting article on schizophrenia, which suggests that whilst evidence indicates that sufferers are significantly more likely to be violent than the general population, attacks against strangers are extremely rare.

Of course, we do not know for certain what Kosminski's mental state was in 1888, and we obviously cannot conclude, with any degree of certainty, that he was suffering from schizophrenia.

I think your reference to Sutcliffe is highly relevant. Of course, he was eventually diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia and, whilst an active serial killer, he claimed to be suffering from depression and hallucinations.

Nonetheless, he was reasonably well organized. For instance, he successfully lured victims into his vehicle, even at the height of the Yorkshire Ripper scare. He also made basic attempts to conceal some of the bodies. And, on one occasion, he had the foresight to realize that he'd made a mistake by giving a victim a brand new banknote, that he'd received as part of is wages. As a consequence, he returned to the scene of crime in order to retrieve it. When it couldn't be found he then adopted the strategy of trying to decapitate the victim, in order to create the impression that she had not been killed by the Yorkshire Ripper. He confessed: "It was my intention to create a mystery about the body."

It's also worth noting that Robert Napper, a paranoid schizophrenic, committed 3 murders- in one case removing body parts as trophies. He is also suspected of being the Green Chain Rapist, who carried out at least 70 attacks over a 4 year period.

What's also extremely interesting about Napper is the fact that, despite suffering from both schizophrenia and Aspergers syndrome, he was in many respects extremely organized. Thus, he planned his attacks in considerable detail, marking locations of foxholes, paths and surveillance spots on maps. In fact, hidden in his home were detailed notes about the targets he stalked, as well as maps of their homes. There were also notes about locations of grates, foxholes, paths and access gates for possible rape sites, surveillance spots or hideaways for his weapons. Police also found hand drawn maps, a London A-Z-with pages marked with black dots highlighting certain areas- and notes on how to restrain someone.

I therefore agree that Kosminski can in no way be ruled out. In fact, since this thread started I've changed my mind about his status: whereas I previously regarded him as a very unlikely suspect, I now regard him as extremely plausible.

I think that JtR must have had a reasonably strong connection to the Whitechapel area, or at least the East End. As I understand it Druitt had no known connection, which undermines his candidacy. It also seems unlikely to me that he could have played in a cricket match at 11:30 in Blackheath, after murdering Chapman just a few hours earlier.

But sir Melville picked him over Kosminski

[John G]

Do you think that Druitt must be a much better bet.

I think that JtR must have had a reasonably strong connection to the Whitechapel area, or at least the East End. As I understand it Druitt had no known connection, which undermines his candidacy. It also seems unlikely to me that he could have played in a cricket match at 11:30 in Blackheath, after murdering Chapman just a few hours earlier. In fact, I'm not sure what evidence there is against him, apart from the fact that his family suspected him.

[pinkmoon]

Hi Jeff,

Yes, I was very impressed by the Canter article on serial killer classification, which illustrates that, following Hazelwood's pioneering research, this is still a complex and developing area.

Interesting article on schizophrenia, which suggests that whilst evidence indicates that sufferers are significantly more likely to be violent than the general population, attacks against strangers are extremely rare.

Of course, we do not know for certain what Kosminski's mental state was in 1888, and we obviously cannot conclude, with any degree of certainty, that he was suffering from schizophrenia.

I think your reference to Sutcliffe is highly relevant. Of course, he was eventually diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia and, whilst an active serial killer, he claimed to be suffering from depression and hallucinations.

Nonetheless, he was reasonably well organized. For instance, he successfully lured victims into his vehicle, even at the height of the Yorkshire Ripper scare. He also made basic attempts to conceal some of the bodies. And, on one occasion, he had the foresight to realize that he'd made a mistake by giving a victim a brand new banknote, that he'd received as part of is wages. As a consequence, he returned to the scene of crime in order to retrieve it. When it couldn't be found he then adopted the strategy of trying to decapitate the victim, in order to create the impression that she had not been killed by the Yorkshire Ripper. He confessed: "It was my intention to create a mystery about the body."

It's also worth noting that Robert Napper, a paranoid schizophrenic, committed 3 murders- in one case removing body parts as trophies. He is also suspected of being the Green Chain Rapist, who carried out at least 70 attacks over a 4 year period.

What's also extremely interesting about Napper is the fact that, despite suffering from both schizophrenia and Aspergers syndrome, he was in many respects extremely organized. Thus, he planned his attacks in considerable detail, marking locations of foxholes, paths and surveillance spots on maps. In fact, hidden in his home were detailed notes about the targets he stalked, as well as maps of their homes. There were also notes about locations of grates, foxholes, paths and access gates for possible rape sites, surveillance spots or hideaways for his weapons. Police also found hand drawn maps, a London A-Z-with pages marked with black dots highlighting certain areas- and notes on how to restrain someone.

I therefore agree that Kosminski can in no way be ruled out. In fact, since this thread started I've changed my mind about his status: whereas I previously regarded him as a very unlikely suspect, I now regard him as extremely plausible.

Do you think that Druitt must be a much better bet.