Was JTR a local?

[GUT]

Hi gut
Then I take it you don't rule chapman out for the ripper?

I don't categorically rule anyone out unless they can be shown to have been in a different place at the appropriate times by the same token I am not prepared to rule anyone in unless there is some evidence, many suspects seems to be named on the basis that someone has made up a good [sometimes even plausible story] and then elevate it to "Case closed".

[Abby Normal]

Good point, whenever we try and put anyone in a little box there is plenty of overlap and in my opinion serial killers just don't fit and they are so few in number it is simply impossible to try and say, no serial killer has ever "xxxx" so none ever will or most serial killers are "yyy" so all must be.

Hi gut
Then I take it you don't rule chapman out for the ripper?

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,
Sorry to have to correct you, but Cream didn't kill for monetary gain.

This is the wrong thread to go into details, but trust me, I know a great deal more about Dr.Cream than the average Joe.

Amanda

Hi Amanda
What was his motive then? You say him and jack had the same motive?
What was it?

[Abby Normal]

Hi Gut,
I believe that Cream & Jack had the same motive, but none of those listed on the post by Abby.

And no, I don't believe that Cream was Jack.

Amanda

So if you know Cream's motive and Jack was a totally different type of killer, what was Jack's motive.

The pleasure, more than likely with a sexual component, that he derived from killing and cutting up women.

[MayBea]

...Sutcliffe, Ridgway, Wright, Rifkin, Gilyard, Armstrong, Boyer, Hansen, Albright...

All prostitute serial killers.

All "blue collar".

At least two of the examples you give us, Ben, owned their own business. Rifkin and Hansen.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k.../rifkin/5.html

I know they're not Donald Trump but....

Ridgeway had an IQ of 80 so I wouldn't use him as a standard. Although Robert Pickton had a similar IQ and had a pig farm and a dance hall.

[GUT]

Hi Gut,
Maybe, but I've read through Cream's extremely hefty prison file & think I can be bold enough to say I know why he did it.

For Jack, yes you're right, I am presuming to know his motive & probably won't find out if I was right in this lifetime...
It's all good fun though, new year and so many new threads to debate.

Gives you a break from digging too...
Amanda

I won't argue re Cream, as there is a much better chance of pinning down the motive of a known murder who has been captured and questioned and examined that an UNSUB.

And at least we are off table clothes and DNA for a little while, though there was some fairly recent DNA on Deeming's skull which they thought mght have been Ned's [or Vice Versa]

[Amanda]

Mmm...

G'day Amanda

But perhaps you are falling into the same trap as Abby of presuming to know his motive, in my experience most murders don't know their own motive with any degree of certainty or perhaps more accurately it is seldom that there is one, and only one, motive.

Hi Gut,
Maybe, but I've read through Cream's extremely hefty prison file & think I can be bold enough to say I know why he did it.

For Jack, yes you're right, I am presuming to know his motive & probably won't find out if I was right in this lifetime...
It's all good fun though, new year and so many new threads to debate.

Gives you a break from digging too...
Amanda

[GUT]

Hi Gut,
I believe that Cream & Jack had the same motive, but none of those listed on the post by Abby.

And no, I don't believe that Cream was Jack.

Amanda

G'day Amanda

But perhaps you are falling into the same trap as Abby of presuming to know his motive, in my experience most murders don't know their own motive with any degree of certainty or perhaps more accurately it is seldom that there is one, and only one, motive.

[Amanda]

Well...

So if you know Cream's motive and Jack was a totally different type of killer, what was Jack's motive.

Hi Gut,
I believe that Cream & Jack had the same motive, but none of those listed on the post by Abby.

And no, I don't believe that Cream was Jack.

Amanda

[Ben]

By my estimation, the only Caucasian blue collar I can think of was Shawcross

...Sutcliffe, Ridgway, Wright, Rifkin, Gilyard, Armstrong, Boyer, Hansen, Albright...

All prostitute serial killers.

All "blue collar".

[pinkmoon]

I think the night of the double event points to our killer not been local.

[GUT]

Hi Amanda
The difference being- Cream was killing prostitutes, and others, for monetary gain and to avoid being caught for botched abortions and to blackmail people. Totally different type of killer.

So if you know Cream's motive and Jack was a totally different type of killer, what was Jack's motive.

[gnote]

Thanks batboy, any other suspect live or work near George yard? Tabram murder may have been a rage attack?

I'm not sure what qualifies as near but Jacob Levy lived on Middlesex.

[Amanda]

Sorry...

Hi Amanda
The difference being- Cream was killing prostitutes, and others, for monetary gain and to avoid being caught for botched abortions and to blackmail people. Totally different type of killer.

Hi Abby,
Sorry to have to correct you, but Cream didn't kill for monetary gain.

This is the wrong thread to go into details, but trust me, I know a great deal more about Dr.Cream than the average Joe.

Amanda

[GUT]

Where did you read that, Rocky?

I remember someone starting a thread focusing on prostitute killers and came to that conclusion. But it depended on what your definition is?

By my estimation, the only Caucasian blue collar I can think of was Shawcross but he was in jail for 20 years.

If someone has a landscaping business and does the landscaping himself, is he blue collar or a businessman?

Good point, whenever we try and put anyone in a little box there is plenty of overlap and in my opinion serial killers just don't fit and they are so few in number it is simply impossible to try and say, no serial killer has ever "xxxx" so none ever will or most serial killers are "yyy" so all must be.