If a doctor was responsible for the murders.......................

[lynn cates]

on the other hand

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"Search your heart, Lynn. You know it to be true."

Sorry--know it to be nonsense.

"I'm all ears."

1. He was bored.

2. He sought notoriety.

3. He was fearful.

4. He was envious.

"Of course, Lynn. I think the nature of the killings show an upward trajectory of violence, don't you?"

Certainly not.

"Leaving aside Stride. . ."

Quite an admission.

". . .who was murder-interruptus."

Evidence? Or perhaps ad hoc, wishful thinking?

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Well it depends on how we're defining "sexually motivated". They both murdered prostitutes, so there's clearly a sexual undertone to the crimes, however, both of them seem motivated by anger more than anything. "...anger, hatred and obsession" were the exact words the jury used for Sutcliffe

Hi Harry,

Yes I agree there is a degree of sexual motivations for the killings.

Sutcliffe was able to maintain a relationship with his wife (he never killed her why?) It seems Sutcliffe had some kind of control over himself, and was not completely repulsed by every woman. I don't think he caught any STDs from any women either. What can we learn from Sutcliffe to understand who Jack was?

I know prostitution seems the most likely motive for Jack, and he does appear to be angry, but why not repeatedly stab the victims? why go to all the trouble of cutting them open etc?

Why do you think reproduction organs were taken from the scenes (if you believe they were) by JTR?

Or he was that repulsed that he ever fornicated with such women in the first place?

That could be a real possibility.

[Harry D]

How do you know they were not sexually motivated? Although he never left semen at the scenes the Yorkshire ripper peter sutcliffe's crimes were sexually motivated.

Well it depends on how we're defining "sexually motivated". They both murdered prostitutes, so there's clearly a sexual undertone to the crimes, however, both of them seem motivated by anger more than anything. "...anger, hatred and obsession" were the exact words the jury used for Sutcliffe.

Although as you say JTR may have contracted syphilis, but as I have wrote in another thread, people mutilated faces to avoid sexual desire. Maybe JTR was disgusted that he felt sexual desire for these women.

Or he was that repulsed that he ever fornicated with such women in the first place?

Not sure why we are talking about a single bloke

Search your heart, Lynn. You know it to be true.

but, even so, there are multitudes of possibilities.

I'm all ears.

A very old and venerable theory. Of course, Polly and Liz were not eviserated, right?

Of course, Lynn. I think the nature of the killings show an upward trajectory of violence, don't you? Leaving aside Stride, who was murder-interruptus.

[lynn cates]

motivation

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"If not anger, then what was Jack's motive?"

Not sure why we are talking about a single bloke, but, even so, there are multitudes of possibilities.

"These didn't appear to be sexually motivated crimes."

Agreed--in spite of all the social "scientific" rot one sees bandied about.

"The manner in which the women were eviscerated and the targeting of the genital areas implies to me that Jack was pursuing a vendetta against the drabs of Whitechapel... probably for giving him syphilis."

A very old and venerable theory. Of course, Polly and Liz were not eviserated, right?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

sure

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

I think it is difficult to be sure about any of this. Well spoke.

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hey Lynn,

If not anger, then what was Jack's motive? These didn't appear to be sexually motivated crimes. The manner in which the women were eviscerated and the targeting of the genital areas implies to me that Jack was pursuing a vendetta against the drabs of Whitechapel... probably for giving him syphilis.

Hi Harry

How do you know they were not sexually motivated? Although he never left semen at the scenes the Yorkshire ripper peter sutcliffe's crimes were sexually motivated.

Although as you say JTR may have contracted syphilis, but as I have wrote in another thread, people mutilated faces to avoid sexual desire. Maybe JTR was disgusted that he felt sexual desire for these women.

[Harry D]

Hello Harry. Why angry?

Cheers.
LC

Hey Lynn,

If not anger, then what was Jack's motive? These didn't appear to be sexually motivated crimes. The manner in which the women were eviscerated and the targeting of the genital areas implies to me that Jack was pursuing a vendetta against the drabs of Whitechapel... probably for giving him syphilis.

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

"it is worth pointing out that Syphilis affected the nose and maybe the killer was trying to point out that these women were worthless, people would then assume a doctor was not involved."

OK, then why was the nose not targeted before Kate?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

To be honest, I'm not sure, but maybe someone was getting suspicious about the possible involvement of Drs, and the ripper had to make the killings appear more clumsy and less likely that a Dr had done it.
If a Dr did do it, and was making it look like someone else had done it, then I think the facial mutilations would then appear irrelevant (not a significant symbolic reason) and were just a way of diverting unwanted attention

[lynn cates]

targeting

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

"it is worth pointing out that Syphilis affected the nose and maybe the killer was trying to point out that these women were worthless, people would then assume a doctor was not involved."

OK, then why was the nose not targeted before Kate?

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hi Lynn & Harry

I am not sure about the mutilations, but it is worth pointing out that Syphilis affected the nose and maybe the killer was trying to point out that these women were worthless, people would then assume a doctor was not involved. Maybe the killer wanted to make it look like someone with no medical knowledge committed the crimes.

[lynn cates]

anger

Hello Harry. Why angry?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

mutilations

Hello Natasha. Interesting idea.

If the organs were targeted, why all the other mutilations?

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Ihave dealt eh those valid concerns here:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Harves.../dp/B00LNYU6JW

Hi David

Will have to read that, thanks

[David Andersen]

Ihave dealt eh those valid concerns here:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Harves.../dp/B00LNYU6JW

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha,

Sorry, but I can't buy the idea that "Jack" was a methodical doctor eviscerating women in the name of SCIENCE. Whoever performed these murders was clearly a very angry individual whose actions are suggestive of a grudge against the opposite sex or at least a certain kind of woman. How do you explain the facial mutilations of Eddowes & Kelly?

Hi Harry

I am not 100% on this either, I just find it unusual that a serial killer took away reproduction organs. Most serial killers do indeed take trophies, but they always appear to be objects no body parts. If the ripper was a cannibal then it would make sense to take organs away to eat, maybe he drank blood that could explain the lack of blood at the scene as well