For those who don't believe in "JTR"

[Lechmere]

In my opinion we should be open minded about including all unsolved murders - or vicious type attacks - on females of a similar age and class in the London area fifteen years or so either side of 1888.

[Debra A]

Hello, Debra. You can include whatever murders you wish if they are relevant to your argument. What exactly are you getting at?

No argument here, Harry. Just canvassing opinion. The thing that most many say that makes the Whitechapel murders unique is the mutilation (abdominal) and targetting of the uterus and other organs for removal in a victim being a prostitute, yes? Yet most would not include any of the torso murders as part of the series. So, was there another killer at large in London capable of similar mutilation and interested in the same organs as JTR? Elizabeth Jackson's murder appears to have a lot of similarities ( as I described) and the Whitehall torso also had her uterus missing.

[Harry D]

I don't think anyone was interested in killing prostitutes.

Please expand on that, Lynn.

Do you mean that the killer(s) didn't have a grudge against prozzies, per se? They were just easy prey?

Likewise, I have little doubt that Kate's killer was a copycat killer who deliberately tried (and failed) to reproduce the first two killings.

What about it was considered a failure, Lynn, since the police took her for a Ripper victim?

"MJK" is an enigma to all. Perhaps I could say something intelligent if I knew whom she were.

What would you need to know about MJK that you don't already know about the other victims?

Are we allowed to throw in for discussion 'torso murders' that cross the line?

Hello, Debra. You can include whatever murders you wish if they are relevant to your argument. What exactly are you getting at?

[GUT]

Deb never ceases to amaze me with some of the things she finds.

[lynn cates]

research

Hello Dave. Thanks for the nice words.

Debs does the research, I read the colour supplements--like Harry "Snapper" Organs. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Must agree that they are unstinting with their information.

Hi Gut,

Yes, two great posters.

But Debs is greater than anyone here.

Glups !

[GUT]

G'day Dave

I have to say here that both Lynn and Debs were among the first people who corresponded with me following my first joining Casebook.

They have since been, when appropriate, more than generous with their time, and in their different ways have genuinely helped me along the way. Neither have attempted to convert me to a particular view, but both have generously provided access to research they've conducted.

I'm not a particularly "reach out and grab" sort of person, (frankly the concept embarasses me), but I do feel that it would be wrong of me not to acknowledge this in some sort of fashion...ok shall we return now, as David would doubtless wish, to our moutons?

Dave

Must agree that they are unstinting with their information.

[Debra A]

So you've still not come round to my 'Jem the Ripper' theory, Dave? I'm definitely not sending more money!
Seriously though-thanks.

[Cogidubnus]

Acknowledgement

I have to say here that both Lynn and Debs were among the first people who corresponded with me following my first joining Casebook.

They have since been, when appropriate, more than generous with their time, and in their different ways have genuinely helped me along the way. Neither have attempted to convert me to a particular view, but both have generously provided access to research they've conducted.

I'm not a particularly "reach out and grab" sort of person, (frankly the concept embarasses me), but I do feel that it would be wrong of me not to acknowledge this in some sort of fashion...ok shall we return now, as David would doubtless wish, to our moutons?

Dave

[DVV]

Debs...............

[lynn cates]

O P

Hello Debs. I'd better let Harry answer that one.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

epistemology

Hello David. Thanks.

Well, if we KNOW it. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Are we allowed to throw in for discussion 'torso murders' that cross the line?
Elizabeth Jackson was a homeless prostitute in her 20s who has some similarities to some of the women murdered in Whitechapel.
Her heart was missing and never found (could have been taken as a trophy? or equally lost in the Thames) flaps of skin were removed from her abdomen as in the Annie Chapman and Mary Jane Kelly murders and her uterus was 'operated on' after her death.

[DVV]

Reaction without action.
Wait....would it be epistemological ?

Hope not, Lynn, but I'm quite sure of.

[lynn cates]

answer

Hello David. Thanks.

Well, as the saying goes, I have much to answer for. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC