So would he have run?

[drstrange169]

"It is a fairly safe bet that he would have been familiar with the area encompassed between Doveton Street, Broad Street and the James Street and Mary Ann Street areas, down to Betts Street ..."

It's certainly a fairly safe bet he knew all those streets as he lived or worked in them. Anything else is just a guess.

[drstrange169]

Hello Lechmere,

"I've measured the various northern routes ... and they all come up about 100 yards longer than he Old Montague Street route ..."

My measurements show the Old Montague Street longer by roughly 100 yards. If there was an entrance in Appold Street the difference would have been far more significant.

As it is, whoever is right, it's immaterial. Cross/Lechmere didn't have our access to the internet and I'm guessing he didn't waste his money on old maps like us. A paltry distance of 100 yards would mean nothing to him.

The fact is he IS recorded as going down Hanbury Street. He is NEVER recorded as going down Old Montague, even though it would have been an excellent excuse to get away from Paul.

And the overwhelming fact remains also remains, that Hanbury was a far safer route.

[drstrange169]

... except it isn't;-)

[drstrange169]

Hello Lechmere,


"This shows a close up of the yard and the wall that separates the building and entrance from the yard."

And by that reasoning, this shows a wall that separates an entrance in Eldon Street on the same map.

[Cogidubnus]

Not if I was just walking to work, no....but you seem to see things differently...

[Lechmere]

But if a series of dead bodies started appearing down your shortest route and if you were found next to one of the bodies, and you gave Caraxticus as your name, and the first policeman you met said you said one thing while you claimed to say another - would you expect to come under suspicion?

[Cogidubnus]

I've three sensible potential routes to walk to my town centre...they all take between twenty five and thirty minutes - one is very slightly longer than the other two...however, because it is also rather more interesting, (it has shop windows and some variety), time seems to pass quicker...it is, therefore, the route I habitually take...

I've two sensible potential routes to walk to two different bus stops for my daily commute to Chichester...the first is actually a slightly longer walk (7-8 minutes), ending at a bus stop slightly further from Chichester, but takes me past 18th/19th century houses, an 18th century school, a church with anglo saxon origins and two 17th century thatched cottages...the second is very slightly shorter, and brings me one stop closer to Chichester...but takes me through an ex council estate and is a boring as hell (6-7 minutes)...guess which one I've taken nearly every morning since 1985?

Folk don't always habitually take the most straightforward route or the geographically shortest route...for a variety of reasons...

All the best

Dave

[Sam Flynn]

Fish, I note that you started this topic raised on a "General Suspect Discussion" board. Was it to save time?

[Lechmere]

I've measured the various northern routes (including cutting through the ally between Broad Street and Liverpool Street Stations) and they all come up about 100 yards longer than he Old Montague Street route - using the only known entrance to Broad Street Goods depot on Eldon Street.

[MrBarnett]

Hi Ed,

I've started a new thread on this. I'll respond there.

MrB

[Lechmere]

If he spent his entire life there - which apart from a couple of years when he was a baby he seems to have done - he would have had cause to wander about in those streets. With his friends as a child, through work, his children's schools and so forth.
It is a fairly safe bet that he would have been familiar with the area encompassed between Doveton Street, Broad Street and the James Street and Mary Ann Street areas, down to Betts Street - just off the Highway.

[Lechmere]

The major remodelling happen around 1902.

[Lechmere]

This map - from the 1930s - shows how the yard area had changed from 1893.

[Lechmere]

This shows a close up of the yard and the wall that separates the building and entrance from the yard.

I am fairly sure there would have been a down ramp from Eldon Street to the lower level where the stables and goods yard actually was.
There is a similar entrance still for Liverpool Street on Liverpool Street

[MrBarnett]

Thanks, GUT, you're a gent.