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[Harry D]

Hello Lynn,

1. I'm not sure why one would be more terrified with one set of mutilations compared to another. Dead is dead.

Not necessarily. Tabram and Nichols could have been seen as isolated attacks. Perhaps by a gang or an angry pimp? That kind of thing wasn't out of the ordinary and hardly caused a stir at the time. A maniac stalking the streets and disemboweling women, on the other hand, evokes far more horror. Obviously not enough to deter MJK from her 'profession' but you could see Barnett's twisted logic.

2. If Barnett were the killer, why did he not lie when asked about "MJK's" fear? Why not answer, "No. At least, she never expressed any fears to me"?

How would lying have benefited Barnett, anyway?

Also, his alibi isn't exactly a cast-iron one.

[Wickerman]

... The 'From Hell' letter (which I believe is genuine) was arguably penned by an Irish hand, Barnett was Irish.

I thought he was as Cockney as the rest of them, just of Irish parentage.

Far more reason to suspect him before the likes of Tumblety, Druitt et al.

Than Tumblety?, yes I agree, but Druitt?, who knows. If we only knew why Druitt was suggested to have been a suspect, we might have a better idea on that question.

Barnett was grilled for four hours, obviously, not due to any evidence but purely because the 'spouse'/'partner', where one exists, is the first suspect.

I think there is a lot of people for whom we just do not know enough about them to say, Barnett is just one of them.

[pinkmoon]

I thought he was as Cockney as the rest of them, just of Irish parentage.




Than Tumblety?, yes I agree, but Druitt?, who knows. If we only knew why Druitt was suggested to have been a suspect, we might have a better idea on that question.

Barnett was grilled for four hours, obviously, not due to any evidence but purely because the 'spouse'/'partner', where one exists, is the first suspect.

I think there is a lot of people for whom we just do not know enough about them to say, Barnett is just one of them.

If we could only know what this"private information"was another interesting thing about Druitt is the fact that sir Melville states that's the police never suspected him but his own family did why would his family think this?

[Mayerling]

And where pray is Charles Lutwidge Dodgson

Just be glad nobody put up Vincent Van Gogh.

[Wickerman]

If we could only know what this"private information"was another interesting thing about Druitt is the fact that sir Melville states that's the police never suspected him but his own family did why would his family think this?

I suspect Macnaghten was talking 'after the fact'. Not that his family suspected him of being the killer while alive, but that due to the coincidence of his death, and there being no more murders, they may have conceded the possibility exists.

[Mayerling]

By the way I chose Druitt, who I've been re-evaluating recently (due to the heavy discussion on Macnaughten's motives and changing story that was on this board). Still, if any of the others could be proved to be the Ripper (except Van Gogh or Lewis Carroll or Conan Doyle or any other really famous non-criminal person) I'd be just as happy.

Jeff

[Wickerman]

Just be glad nobody put up Vincent Van Gogh.

"Forgot to get ears for police, please find enclosed one of my own"
Sam Flynn (Gareth)

[Mayerling]

"Forgot to get ears for police, please find enclosed one of my own"
Sam Flynn (Gareth)

From ex-Verizon employee turned time traveller and now a constable in 1888: "I can't hear you!"

[GUT]

G'day Harry D

From what I've read of Barnett, I'm surprised he doesn't rank higher on the suspects list. He had the motive, he had the means, he had the opportunity. He fits several witness descriptions. He was a local guy who knew the area. The 'From Hell' letter (which I believe is genuine) was arguably penned by an Irish hand, Barnett was Irish. He had the key to MJK's room or possessed the knowledge on how to lock it. He fits the FBI profile, etc.

Far more reason to suspect him before the likes of Tumblety, Druitt et al.

And which senior police official names Barnett as a suspect. MM names Druitt, Littlechild, Dr T. In my books that makes that two primero suspects.

[lynn cates]

assume

Hello Jason. Thanks.

Why should we assume the killer took organs home with him?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

"Oh, the horror, the horror."

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"Tabram and Nichols could have been seen as isolated attacks. Perhaps by a gang or an angry pimp? That kind of thing wasn't out of the ordinary and hardly caused a stir at the time. A maniac stalking the streets and disemboweling women, on the other hand, evokes far more horror."

But my point is that Annie need not have had her uterus removed to evoke horror. And it was risky--in a backyard and after sunup. Not the work of a sane person.

"How would lying have benefited Barnett, anyway?"

It would never have allowed her "fear" to come up for discussion.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

fertile imagination

Hello Jason.

"why would his family think this?"

We have many newspaper accounts of wives/families suspecting a male family member.

A fertile imagination helps--or is it febrile?

Cheers.
LC

[Harry D]

Hello Harry. Thanks.

"Tabram and Nichols could have been seen as isolated attacks. Perhaps by a gang or an angry pimp? That kind of thing wasn't out of the ordinary and hardly caused a stir at the time. A maniac stalking the streets and disemboweling women, on the other hand, evokes far more horror."

But my point is that Annie need not have had her uterus removed to evoke horror. And it was risky--in a backyard and after sunup. Not the work of a sane person.

"How would lying have benefited Barnett, anyway?"

It would never have allowed her "fear" to come up for discussion.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

When I did ever profess that Barnett was sane? You don't begin butchering women unless you're a bit of a deviant, no?

I believe people read far too much into the police interview. It's already been established that the police had a somewhat grotesque image of who the Ripper was (a raving lunatic and probably a Jew), which Barnett didn't match.

As for Druitt, it seems that the only reason police suspected him is because he committed suicide just after the killings stopped, and the hearsay from his family. Which leaves you filling in plenty of gaps as to why he's your man. With Barnett it all flows naturally.

[c.d.]

When the police interviewed Barnett, it would have been as a result of his relationship with Mary not because he was a Ripper suspect so I don't think the police image of the Ripper came into play. Mary's killer or the Ripper, the police apparently were satisfied that he was neither.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

secret society

Hello Harry. Thanks.

Well, not ALL police had such an image. (See Sir Charles in his October musings about a secret society.)

Cheers.
LC