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[Wickerman]

... The 'From Hell' letter (which I believe is genuine) was arguably penned by an Irish hand, Barnett was Irish.

I thought he was as Cockney as the rest of them, just of Irish parentage.

Far more reason to suspect him before the likes of Tumblety, Druitt et al.

Than Tumblety?, yes I agree, but Druitt?, who knows. If we only knew why Druitt was suggested to have been a suspect, we might have a better idea on that question.

Barnett was grilled for four hours, obviously, not due to any evidence but purely because the 'spouse'/'partner', where one exists, is the first suspect.

I think there is a lot of people for whom we just do not know enough about them to say, Barnett is just one of them.

[Harry D]

Hello Lynn,

1. I'm not sure why one would be more terrified with one set of mutilations compared to another. Dead is dead.

Not necessarily. Tabram and Nichols could have been seen as isolated attacks. Perhaps by a gang or an angry pimp? That kind of thing wasn't out of the ordinary and hardly caused a stir at the time. A maniac stalking the streets and disemboweling women, on the other hand, evokes far more horror. Obviously not enough to deter MJK from her 'profession' but you could see Barnett's twisted logic.

2. If Barnett were the killer, why did he not lie when asked about "MJK's" fear? Why not answer, "No. At least, she never expressed any fears to me"?

How would lying have benefited Barnett, anyway?

Also, his alibi isn't exactly a cast-iron one.

[pinkmoon]

Hello Jason. Thanks.

My point was that, if one is merely trying to scare "MJK," why all the extra mutilation and organ removal? It would merely retard progress and increase chances of capture.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn I know what you meant and I agree that the extra effort to mutilate went far and beyond simple murder I think the removal of the organs is a factor that is very important to this case .Like I said before who would be able to take human organs home with them and not raise any suspicion in the household.

[lynn cates]

bopped

Hello David. Thanks.

You mean the lady he bopped?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

alibi

Hello Harry.

"He had the motive, he had the means, he had the opportunity."

He also had the alibi.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

From what I've read of Barnett, I'm surprised he doesn't rank higher on the suspects list. He had the motive, he had the means, he had the opportunity. He fits several witness descriptions. He was a local guy who knew the area. The 'From Hell' letter (which I believe is genuine) was arguably penned by an Irish hand, Barnett was Irish. He had the key to MJK's room or possessed the knowledge on how to lock it. He fits the FBI profile, etc.

Far more reason to suspect him before the likes of Tumblety, Druitt et al.

Hi Harry

I'm afraid he had no motive. But he had an alibi instead.
By the way, there is no motive at all for such killings. You merely need to be a serial killer with specific fantasies.
For all we know, he was a "normal" guy, and led a "normal" life.
A bit like Cross/Lechmere.

Two little lambs.

Cheers

[DVV]

Hmm, never thought of Polly and Annie as a "Double Event"--but I like that.
LC

You mean Piggott's victims ?

[Harry D]

From what I've read of Barnett, I'm surprised he doesn't rank higher on the suspects list. He had the motive, he had the means, he had the opportunity. He fits several witness descriptions. He was a local guy who knew the area. The 'From Hell' letter (which I believe is genuine) was arguably penned by an Irish hand, Barnett was Irish. He had the key to MJK's room or possessed the knowledge on how to lock it. He fits the FBI profile, etc.

Far more reason to suspect him before the likes of Tumblety, Druitt et al.

[lynn cates]

fear

Hello Harry. Thanks.

1. I'm not sure why one would be more terrified with one set of mutilations compared to another. Dead is dead.

2. If Barnett were the killer, why did he not lie when asked about "MJK's" fear? Why not answer, "No. At least, she never expressed any fears to me"?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

double event

Hello David. Thanks.

Hmm, never thought of Polly and Annie as a "Double Event"--but I like that.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Poor Barnett is innocent as a newborn lamb.
Hence the song "Mary had a little lamb", whereas La Fontaine's "The Wolf and the Lamb" respectively refers to Fleming and Barnett.

Case closed, if you ask me.

[Harry D]

Hello Harry. If Barnett had wished to scare "MJK," and by killing prostitutes, then why bother with organ removal? Why not kill, mutilate (for shock value), then run?

Cheers.
LC

Because sheer mutilation didn't have the desired effect on MJK after the first two victims: Tabram & Nichols? Perhaps Barnett decided to take it up a notch and leave MJK under no illusion that Whitechapel was dealing with one sick puppy?

[DVV]

Two by the same hand? I can buy that.
LC

You sure refer to the double event.
Now you're a ripperologist, my friend.

[DVV]

"So who's the one you call "JtR"?"
No one.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Then I can agree : "Fleming is a non-starter as Mr Nobody"

Cheers

[DVV]

I thought it through, David. I sought the net for comparisons and found numerous tall and thin people who were quite healthy. You will remember Peter Crouch, I trust?
All the best,
Fisherman

Hi Fish,

I remember Crouch, although I dislike football.
I remember him because he makes a 6'7 Fleming definitely unlikely.
I've already explained why, but I can repeat if you want.

All the best Fish !